[blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:

Sat Sep 11 02:07:39 UTC 2010

Pete,

you don't have to listen and retype the numbers when you use webvisum.
all you do is wait a while then paste the result and keep on going.

Bryan Schulz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:

> Hello everyone,
>
>    If you don't have a hearing impairment. These things need to be
> accessible both audibly ant tactually to permit those with any kind of a
> hearing impairment to manipulate them without assistance of any kind
> including third party solutions as Web Vism and Salowna.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracey Fields" <tlfields2 at charter.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been reading the comments all afternoon, and here is my input. 
> There
> is nothing wrong with using the captcha as a form of security in the 
> speech
> format if they would only play the letters/numbers without including the
> background noise.  It is almost impossible to make most of them out when
> they have all of that interference.  I had one the other day that was
> totally clear, only the man reading the sequence, and I got it the first
> time.  That seems like a pretty simple fix to me.  Many times I have given
> up because I have punched in several different sequences and can never get
> it correct because of the noise factor.  Making the audible captcha 
> audible
> and not garbled sounds pretty simple to me, and it is not discriminatory
> toward anyone that way.
>
> Tracey Fields
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>
>> Hello George and everyone,
>>
>>    I've encountered a few sites where an email verification was required
>> for signing up or subscribing. When you selected the link sent to you in
>> the
>> email message your signup was complete. Alternatives to captchas are out
>> there. It's getting folks to use them that is the challenge before us.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>
>>
>> Peter:
>> very good point.
>> However, this can't be used for signing up, not at first.
>> Also, you have to understand different companies create different
>> structures, so it'll depend on that.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Steve and everyone,
>>>
>>>    I've used many Web sites where one must reply to an email message in
>>> order to activate a subscription, process and order, etc. This works 
>>> well
>>> for me and I'm sure lots of others. This very procedure was followed 
>>> when
>>> I
>>> ordered my free NFB cane. No problem with that. It means a few extra
>>> steps
>>> but doesn't shut anyone out.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> It just isn't that simple.  Blocking the message may keep them from
>>> getting
>>> visibility, but it doesn't prevent such messages from bogging down the
>>> network
>>> and the ISP who was not able to prevent a robot from subscribing.
>>> Because
>>> there are sites out there who protect users by providing ways to hide
>>> their
>>> origin, it isn't simple to identify the problem.  However, I also think
>>> that
>>> CAPTCHAs are a very convenient answer and that their use has caused
>>> limited
>>> thought to be given to other approaches.  The trouble is that answers
>>> just
>>> are not that obvious.  As Chris said, certain other kinds of CAPTCHAs 
>>> may
>>> discriminate against other types of developmental disabilities or even
>>> people whose primary language is not that of whatever protective scheme
>>> is
>>> developed.  The idea of sending a text to a cellphone to provide a
>>> password
>>> is great if one happens to have a cellphone, but there are ways this
>>> could
>>> be
>>> scripted around as well.  I think this is where the struggle is, we 
>>> don't
>>> like CAPTCHAs for good reason but don't have a real sense of what to
>>> suggest
>>> as an
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:26 -0500, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>>
>>>>   I'd like to know what happened to spam filtering software or the
>>>> diligence of host administrators to block email and IP addresses from
>>>> which
>>>> these bot messages come.  If they enlisted the help of their customers
>>>> to
>>>> track this stuff down the use of captchas would be unnecessary. No one
>>>> would
>>>> be discriminated against. If more of their customers would use those
>>>> "Report
>>>> Abuse" links it would go a long way to reducing or eliminating the need
>>>> for
>>>> this kind of junk on Web sites. All the best.
>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Fair point.
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From: Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:42 AM
>>>>> Do you mean the concept of captchas
>>>>> in general, or visual captchas? I think
>>>>> advocacy groups have steered clear of opposing captchas
>>>>> because they are, in
>>>>> fact, a legitimate security mechanism to prevent a real
>>>>> threat. The question
>>>>> is how they should be designed. This is problematic because
>>>>> I can't think of
>>>>> a captcha that doesn't discriminate against somebody. The
>>>>> best ones are
>>>>> probably the simple logic puzzles, but even those probably
>>>>> discriminate
>>>>> against certain people with developmental disabilities. I
>>>>> guess the best we
>>>>> can hope for is a captcha that discriminates against as few
>>>>> people as
>>>>> possible, or, perhaps in the future, someone will invent a
>>>>> security
>>>>> mechanism that makes them unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of John Ramsey
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:05 PM
>>>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have the answer to that one, but I am curious if
>>>>> any advocacy group
>>>>> has considered a cause of action because of these captias.
>>>>> I fail to see how
>>>>> they don't offend all of the recent cases regarding website
>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> John A. Ramsey Jr., P.A.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> So how can this new fangled audio captcha be
>>>>> accessed by the deaf-blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon list members.
>>>>> I would like to up-date you on Linkedin. The log-in
>>>>> page has a different
>>>>> Captcha that works and is accessible. Once you enter
>>>>> in your log-in
>>>>> information, a page comes up and says: "please enter the
>>>>> two words shown
>>>>> above." The audio link comes up with a clear voice
>>>>> that says: "Please
>>>>> enter the following words. Do not worry if you have
>>>>> trouble, just enter
>>>>> your best Guess. You will here a number IE 5, then a
>>>>> word such as Saturday,
>>>>>
>>>>> then a number like 8 and then a word of less. If you
>>>>> do not enter in the
>>>>> numbers, you can still move forward to the next page and
>>>>> access your
>>>>> account.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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