[blindlaw] some questions

Beth thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Fri Sep 2 18:57:29 UTC 2011 

Well, I care for myself right now in Colorado, and Dad doesn't 
see that.  I have to be absolutely sure that CCDC in Colorado, 
the Cross-Disability Coalition, can work with the Florida system 
and get rid of it.  The prevention of marriage was based in part 
due to parent child conflict, and then they said I had to make 
changes.  Whuat changes I don't know, but Deq has nearly broken 
up with me a bunch of times over this, so it is grounds for 
getting rid of it.  I've needed help trying for months and 
perhaps years.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:39:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions

Beth, You were declared incompetent by a court, and your dad is 
your
guardian. Correct? That is what you told me correct? I hate to 
say it but
theirs nothing Colorado can do really because this is a Florida 
case, and if
you did try to get married in Colorado, the judge would say, "I'm 
sorry, but
you have an incapacitation order in Florida." I am not an 
attorney, but this
is common sense. I hate to be this blunt, but you need to face 
reality that
as long as you have this hanging over your head, you will, not be 
able to
marry Deq or anybody for that matter. Again Beth, I'm not trying 
to be cruel
or mean, but it seems you do not understand what this means. They 
do not,
and they can not declare someone to be incompetent in Florida 
based on
blindness alone. I have a Friend who is a county judge, and he 
told me that
it is based on a persons mental capacity to care for themselves.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions


 Right.  The thing is my dad has been trying to force me to use 
financial
 supports like this financial manager who jacked my dbit card, 
and so I
 fired her.  Dad was then told about Financial Represntative 
Payee
 programs, of which I have no intrerest, but I'm afraid he'll 
force his
 will on me.  This is something I can't accept.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
 To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 20:05:26 -0700
 Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions

 The important thing to continue to prove this is to continue to 
engage in
 your regular daily activities and show that you are following 
through with
 whatever schooling or work program that you are considering. The 
other
 factor that a court looks at in determining competency is how 
well you
 manage your finances and daily living activities and it soulds 
like you
 are
 doing well in trying to attain your goals.
 Chuck
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
 To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions


 This is so true.  I'm trying to prove to judges that I m a 
competent
 adult, and so we know, I did and am able to consent to sexual 
relations
 with the man I intend to marry.  So there's no way there is 
going to be
 any kind of thing dealing with "providing for" me.  Deq does not 
have to
 provide for me.  We will simply have to let Allah take care of 
things, if
 you know what I mean.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
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 Date sent: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 13:47:00 -0700
 Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions

 Theoretically they could not necessarily use the argument that a 
person
 would be blind. They would have to use arguments saying that the 
person
 did
 not have the capacity to enter in to a marriage contract as they 
did not
 understand what was involved in marriage. This is done at times 
where
 there
 has been documented evidence of mental illness or mental 
retardation. It
 is
 also done in cases where a party to the marriage has not reached 
the age
 of
 consent. While I don't know the specific circumstances they 
could make the
 argument that the person that you intend to marry is not capable 
of
 providing for you and meeting your needs. Unfortunately families 
will
 still
 try to try some strange angles to prevent a marriage where there 
is a
 disabled party involved and judges will some times fall for 
these
 arguments.
 This applies to other matters in family law as well. There was 
the recent
 case where NFB had to intervene on behalf of the couple in 
Missouri that
 were told by Child Protective Services that they could not raise 
their
 new-born infant. This does not mean it would happen in your 
circumstances
 but these are possibilities that can sometimes occur.
 Chuck
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
 To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions


 Like what extenuating circumstances are there?  How can you 
prevent a
 blind person from marrying?  In CO, they couldn't do this to me
 because Deq isn't taking advantage of me.
 Beth

 On 9/1/11, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> 
wrote:
 actually, in some cases there are laws in rare circumstances 
that prevent
 people from marrying in this country. In cases where a person 
has been
 found
 mentally incompetent or if they are under a certain age a person 
may be
 prohibited from marrying. In reviewing and studying law it is 
best never
 to
 make a blanket statement as there are always extenuating factors 
that may
 come in to play.
 Chuck
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc."
 <ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com
 To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 10:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [blindlaw] some questions


 Hi Beth:

 There is no law, especially since slavery was abolished around 
1865, and
 the Civil Rights Act became the law of the land in 1964, that 
prohibits
 you from marrying whomsoever you choose.  The choice is yours to 
make:
 You can pander to the dictates of the folks bugging you, or you 
can move
 on and marry the individual you're in love with.  What may 
likely happen
 is that these folks won't show up at your wedding.  The question 
you
 should ask yourself is how important their presence at your 
wedding
 would
 be.  Hence, as an adult that's capable of making choices, the 
sky
 remains
 your limit!

 Wishing you the very best.

 Sincerely,
 Olusegun
 Denver, Colorado

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