[blindlaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
Ronza Othman
rothmanjd at gmail.com
Tue Oct 30 16:52:09 UTC 2012
There isn't an easy answer to that question. The federal government has
people working on policy in a variety of series. At Education, they might
be Education Specialists or Management Analysts. At DOT they might be
Transportation Specialists or Infrastructure Specialists. At HHS, they're
Health Insurance Specialists or Healthcare Analysts. There are also policy
jobs in each agency's office that handles regulatory affairs or FOIA
offices, in the offices that handle legislation (often called Office of
Legislation or Office of Congressional Affairs), in the offices of
communication or public affairs, and on and on. I'd suggest if you're
interested in a particular agency, you take a look at their organizational
chart from their website and see where you want to go based on your personal
interests. Alternatively, go to USAJobs.gov and search for a particular
agency and see what's posted. Remember, you can apply using Schedule A for
positions that have been posted, even if they're posted as competitive
positions.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ray wayne
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 8:00 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
I have the same question.
Ray Wayne
----- Original Message -----
,f3 ,ross ,do]r <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
,to3 8,bl ,law ,mail+ ,li/0 <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>,
Date: Monday, Oct 29, 2012 19:25:57
Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>
>
> Where does one find policy jobs, I'm on the list for attorney
> postings, but don't know how to find the policy type.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
@> ,f3 8,ronza ,o?man0 <rothmanjd at gmail.com> @> ,to3 8',bl ,law ,mail+
,li/'0 <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
>
>
> > Ross,
> > If you do make a move to Boston, New York, or Washington, please let
> > me know. I'd be happy to share your resume with folks in my health
> > care network. I'd also suggest you think about broadening what
> > you're looking for in terms of actual positions there are a lot of
> > jobs on the policy side and very few on the litigation side. If you
> > do policy work for a while, you might have the opportunity to get
> > back into the litigation arena once you've expanded your network and
> > gotten your foot in the federal door.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ronza
> >
> >
@> @> -----Original Message-----
> > From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross
> > Doerr
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:36 PM
> > To: Blind Law Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >
> >
> > Thank you Ronza. I see that you did a great deal of networking, and
> > that is something I have been trying to do a lot. I didn't know
> > that you knew Joanne Wilson now a former director of a Federal
> > Agency is a connection!
> > I have been doing the same sort of emailing that you suggest with
> > introductory letters with a resume, and application writing for 3
> > years, and don't seem to get much beyond a reply letter saying
> > either they will keep me on file for the next job opening or that
> > they don't know what they can do to help.
> > It would seem that a move out of Maine to a more cosmepolitan area
> > such as down in Boston or WOULDC would be in order. The reason I say
> > that is we don't really have any mass transit up here to speak of
> > unless you are on the Amtrack train, running out of Portland
> > regularly, so being able to do the type of networking that you refer
> > to isn't possible on a bus or train up here, but I wish that it
> > were.
> > My litigation record is an excellent one in State and Federal
> > matters but the type of open-minded disability hiring doesn't seem
> > to be as evident in this area. Your experiences highlight the need
> > to be either in a physical location where the type of casual,
> > coincidental contacts can be made, or to get a good networking
> > contact to help you get a foot in the door. Like you, I'm a proven
> > and seasoned professional in healthcare litigation (Medicaid) and
> > with litigation experience in the Help America Vote Act on the
> > administrative level, and then via ADA Title II into Federal Court
> > for polling place access.
> > I'm glad your experiences are successful and not as protracted in
> > the down side as mine are, but thanks for the information.
> > Ross A. Doerr Esq.
> > Admitted to Practice in:
> > Maine and New Hampshire
> > F. Ct. Admissions:
> > ME & NH
> >
> >
> >
> >
@> @> ----- Original Message -----
@> @> ,f3 8,ronza ,o?man0 <rothmanjd at gmail.com> @> @> ,to3 8',bl ,law ,mail+
,li/'0 <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:13 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm happy to help if I can. Anyone interested in tips or tricks
> >> beyond what I share below is welcome to message me privately.
> >>
> >> I earned a BA in Philosophy and a BS in Biological Sciences from a
> >> very small Catholic university in Chicago. I attended DePaul
> >> University and earned a Masters in Public Services Management with
> >> a concentration in Healthcare Administration, and I attended DePaul
> >> University College of Law where I earned my JD. I received a job
> >> offer to work in the county prosecutor's office post-law school
> >> during my last year of law school, but the county went broke, and I
> >> found out a few weeks before I was to sit for the Bar that they had
> >> to rescind all offers for new people. So I drifted a little bit,
> >> taking whatever jobs I could find, including working as an attorney
> >> investigator for a pseudo-federal agency (which means a federal
> >> judge stood up this office on a temporary basis to investigate and
> >> adjudicate employment discrimination claims for a class action). I
> >> got that job by simply sending an email with my resume and cover
> >> letter after seeing an ad for it on my law school's career office
> >> website. I also worked for a law firm for a bit, eventually
> >> managing the suburban branch, and then I struck out on my own.
> >> Meanwhile, I was handling immigration cases, both for the law firm
> >> and when I hung my own shingle, and I was having great success
> >> against USCIS and ICE. That drew some attention to me as an Arab
> >> American Muslim who was finding the systemic discrimination in DHS
> >> programs. I also networked, networked, networked.
> >>
> >> One day, I had a conversation with Joann Wilson from NFB, who asked
> >> me about my future plans. I confided that I wasn't big on managing
> >> my own law practice and thought I'd prefer to work for a nonprofit
> >> or government agency so I could have greater impact. She offered
> >> to introduce me to a friend of hers, who was the head of the civil
> >> rights office at DHS. It turned out that he had heard of me
> >> because of the litigation I'd been working on in Chicago, but he
> >> offered to conduct an informational interview with me the next time
> >> I was in DC thanks to Joann's introduction. I took him up on the
> >> offer, and when a position opened up, I applied for it. I was
> >> ready to go Schedule A, but they ended up processing my application
> >> for that job competitively. It took well over a year from initial
> >> application until I got my start date, but that was in part because
> >> I had to obtain a security clearance for the job.
> >>
> >> I stayed a few years, but I needed a change. I saw a vacancy
> >> announcement on this list for another federal position actually
> >> Scott LaBarre posted it. That same day, I sent out my resume and
> >> cover letter to the Disability Employment Program Manager, and I
> >> had my first phone interview later that afternoon for that
> >> position. Several others on this list were also interviewed for
> >> that position, I later learned. I was brought in for an in-person
> >> interview, and I got the job. They used Schedule A for this
> >> position.
> >>
> >> Since then, I've applied using Schedule A maybe 7 times, and I've
> >> interviewed for 5 positions and have received 3 offers. These have
> >> been with various Agencies, including SBA, SSA, Education, HUD, and the
DOJ.
> >>
> >> In my work, I also attend conferences on hiring individuals with
> >> disabilities. For example, there is an annual conference for
> >> federal agencies called the Perspectives on Hiring Individuals with
> >> Disabilities Federal Conference each fall in Washington. It
> >> basically teaches agencies how to use Schedule A and other hiring
> >> authorities like the Workforce Recruitment Program (like Schedule A
> >> but for current students and recent graduates), in addition to
> >> resources for providing reasonable acommodations and strategies for
> >> retention. That is where I've met the hundreds of Schedule A
> >> hires, and I've maintained contact with many of them. Also, the
> >> disability community in Washington is small, so a lot of us know
> >> one another. We turn up at conferences, workshops, balls, and just
> >> randomly riding the metro or Marc trains.
> >>
> >>
> >> My experience is that the range in age for those hired using
> >> Schedule A is all over the place. Since it can be used to hire for
> >> pretty much any position, it isn't true that most hires are
> >> entry-level. I know Schedule A folks who are attorneys,
> >> accountants, actuaries, nurses, education specialists,
> >> transportation specialists, managers, HR folks, and on and on.
> >> I can't say I know very many in law enforcement though but then
> >> again those folks are less likely to share that they have a
> >> disability, or their disabilities are likely to be hidden rather
> >> than obvious.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ronza
> >>
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Daniel McBride
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:01 AM
> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Ronza:
> >>
> >> Would you share with us your personal success story? Where did you
> >> attend undergraduate school and law school? From the time you were
> >> licensed to practice, how long was it before your Schedule A hire?
> >> In which agency, and in what capacity was the hire?
> >>
> >>
> >> You mention "hundreds" of Schedule A success stories in your area.
> >> I believe you do not mean hundreds of blind lawyers. Of these
> >> success stories, what type of disabilities are involved? With
> >> which agencies, and in what capacity, are these people finding
> >> success with Schedule A?
> >>
> >> Also, including yourself and the hundreds of others, what would you
> >> estimate the age demographics to be. I know several of us curious
> >> about this matter are in our late 50s to early 60s. Thanks a
> >> bunch.
> >>
> >> Dan McBride, Attorney
> >> Fort Worth, Texas
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ronza
> >> Othman
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:25 AM
> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Hi Will,
> >>
> >> I am a Schedule A "success story" myself, and I know at least two
> >> dozen in my Agency alone. I'd say overall, I probably know of
> >> several hundred individuals with disabilities who've been hired
> >> using Schedule A. But I live and interact in the Washington DC
> >> area, so I can't say how effective such programs are outside of the
> >> headquarters area. I do know folks who've been hired in the
> >> regions, but since the majority of feds work in DC, I'd say I'm
> >> more familiar with success in that area. In addition, different
> >> federal agencies have different protocols for implementing Schedule
> >> A, so I can't say each agency takes advantage of Schedule A in the
> >> same way.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ronza
> >>
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> William T.
> >> Miller
> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:44 PM
> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Sounds familiar. I don't feel entitled to noncompetitive status,
> >> but please spare me the dangling carrot. I'm curious to know if
> >> anyone on the list is aware of any Schedule A success stories I'd
> >> love to find out that my skepticism regarding the program is
> >> unwarranted.
> >>
> >> Will Miller
> >>
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
@> @>@> ,f3 ,alcidonis ,law ,(fice [mailto:attorney at alcidonislaw.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 12:13 AM
> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> As I said, it is just a joke. Long ago I stopped wasting my time
> >> with so-called schedule A coordinators. One of them pretty much
> >> admitted to
> >> me:
> >> "I don't think I am still the coordinator though." Really? And your
> >> name is on the government's website?
> >>
> >> I also don't see what the heck they are coordinating if they have
> >> applicants
> >>
> >> send resume to their attentions and the applicant just never
> >> receives even an acknowledgement of receipt.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rod
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Deepa Goraya
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:49 PM
> >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Many Schedule A coordinators don't even return calls or emails. I have
> >> tried
> >> contacting some of them.
> >>
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Alcidonis
> >> Law Office
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:25 PM
> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Some of the schedule A coordinators don't even know they hold that
title.
> >> The whole thing is a joke.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rod
@> @>@> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Angie Matney
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:41 PM
> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
> >>
> >> Hello Will:
> >>
> >> Jobs filled through schedule a do not have to be (but may be)
advertized.
> >> I
> >> guess you could contact the agency you're interested in and see if
there
> >> are
> >> openings. This page has more information:
> >>
@> @>@> http://www.opm.gov/disability/mngr_3-13.asp
> >>
> >> I don't know how well this theoretically great program works in
practice.
> >>
> >> Angie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/18/12, Daniel McBride <dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> Will:
@> >>>
> >>> Not only do I find the Schedule A Federal program somewhat suspect, I
> >>> am curious about the complete absence of Schedule A type programs at
> >>> the state and local levels.
@> >>>
> >>> I have been practicing criminal law for 29 years; 3 years as a
> >>> prosecutor and the remainder in defense. The local DA's office is
> >>> quite familiar with me and my abilities. However, my efforts to gain
> >>> employment with them do not receive the time of day. I have no doubt
> >>> but that their stated EEOC policy is mere form lacking any substance.
@> >>>
> >>> I cannot agree more with the posts entered since Ross' apology.
@> >>>
> >>> Dan McBride, Attorney
> >>> Fort Worth, Texas
@> >>>
@> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> William T.
> >>> Miller
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:41 PM
> >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >>> Subject: [bllaw] binders = Schedule A? (a nonpartisan question)
@> >>>
> >>> Theoretically there is a process similar to the "binders" mentioned in
> >>> the last presidential debate: Schedule A. I'm curious if this list
> >>> feels that schedule A is an effective process? My understanding of
> >>> Schedule A is that disabled candidates for federal positions can post
> >>> for jobs before they are posted publicly and, if qualified, the hiring
> >>> manager may hire them noncompetitively. However, I don't understand
> >>> how disabled job candidates are supposed to know of potential jobs
> >>> before they are posted to the public.
> >>> If disabled candidates have no way of knowing what Schedule A
> >>> opportunities exists, then how can he or she take advantage of the
> >>> program? I'm definitely no expert on this topic, so if anyone on the
> >>> list can correct me and explain how one applies for a specific
> >>> position as a Schedule A candidate, please enlighten me.
> >>> Thank you,
@> >>>
> >>> Will Miller
@> >>> -----Original Message-----
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> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:54 PM
> >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> >>> Subject: Re: [bllaw] "Question" Posting
@> >>>
> >>> I didn't see anything wrong with the post.
@> >>>
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> >>> From: bllaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ross
> >>> Doerr
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:45 PM
> >>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> >>> Subject: [bllaw] "Question" Posting
@> >>>
> >>> Hello List:
@> >>>
> >>> I am the one who posted the "question" about why disabled job seekers
> >>> aren't being asked for binders full of their resumes to get more of
> >>> "us" into the workplace. It was my blatant reference to a comment made
> >>> during the presidential debate.
@> >>>
> >>> In view of the on list and off list reprimands I have received about
> >>> the posting, I feel that I should go onto the list and apologize for
> >>> posting what is, as it has been pointed out to me repeatedly, an off
> >>> topic message.
@> >>>
> >>> I had thought that, in view of the underlying unemployment issues
> >>> that face those of us on the list, and those of us who regularly post
> >>> job listings, such as myself and Noel Nightengale, that an idea to
> >>> improve the employment situation would be net with some positive
> >>> thought provocation.
@> >>>
> >>> Since I was wrong, I apologize to the list as a whole for my off
> >>> topic posting. It will not happen again.
@> >>>
> >>> Ross A. Doerr Attorney at law
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