[blindlaw] Questions about universities in the US

Mon Jan 14 01:19:45 UTC 2013

Marcos,

No problem, Yes, I sat the California bar..

Best,

Paul

On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Paul, you learn something new everyday.
>
> Did you sit for the California bar exam?
>
> Regards.
> Marcos Rodrigues
> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>
>
>
> Em 13/01/2013, às 21:12, Paul Wick escreveu:
>
>> Marcos,
>>
>> Yes, the JD degree is the only law degree U.S. students must have
>> before taking a bar examination. Generally speaking this must be
>> preceded by a bachelor's degree in any subject. unlike most other
>> countries there is not generally a mandatory period of apprenticeship
>> (except I believe in Delaware and Vermont), so upon passing the bar
>> exam and satisfying the particular state that you possess good moral
>> character and making the prescribed  oath or affirmation you are
>> entitled to practice law.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>
>> On 1/13/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Paul.
>>>
>>> Things work a little bit different here, the bachelor takes five years to
>>> be
>>> completed.
>>>
>>> After finishing the JD, can US students take the bar exam?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 13/01/2013, às 00:50, Paul Wick escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Marcos,
>>>>
>>>> No problem, the JD (Juris Doctor, or Doctor of Jurisprudence) is the
>>>> first degree granted by U.S. law schools, it takes 3 years full-time
>>>> study or 4 years part-time. This degree was simply a re-naming of the
>>>> former Bachelor of Laws degree by American law schools in the 1960's
>>>> to make the degree seem more prestigious. Historically the JD had been
>>>> granted by some schools following a research dissertation (in place of
>>>> the LLM.) The highest law degree (i.e. doctoral level) which very few
>>>> have is the SJD (Scientiae Juridicae Doctor, or Doctor of Juritical
>>>> Science.)
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Paul:
>>>>>
>>>>> This LLM in American Law is exactly what I am looking for, I will
>>>>> check
>>>>> Golden Gate.
>>>>>
>>>>> SF is a very interesting city to live for one year, so it is worth
>>>>> checking
>>>>> schools there (I think Stanford and UC Berkley are very hard for me to
>>>>> be
>>>>> accepted, so Golden Gates or UC Astings might better options).
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me ask another question that may look like stupid but it is
>>>>> something
>>>>> that I really don't know: what is the difference between Law school
>>>>> graduation (which I think takes four years in the US and five here in
>>>>> Brazil) and this JD program that you and all the schools website talk
>>>>> about?
>>>>> Is this JD something like a masters in law or something different (I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think we have this in Brazil).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 22:34, Paul Wick escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a 2010 grad of a fourth-tier (Golden Gate University School of
>>>>>> Law
>>>>>> in San Francisco) and I had a similar excellent experience with
>>>>>> accommodations in law school versus undergrad. I'm very fortunate to
>>>>>> be working part-time doing Social Security Disability appeals, but I
>>>>>> am (with the encouragement of my boss) looking for other options. It
>>>>>> has also been my experience that there just aren't any jobs out
>>>>>> there,
>>>>>> and those that exist require experience I don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcos,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My law school (of which I'm very proud) has several LLM programs, but
>>>>>> the only ones that might be worth your time or money are the LLM in
>>>>>> Taxation (which is more well-regarded than our JD) and our U.S. Legal
>>>>>> Studies LLM, which is primarily for those from civil law countries
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> want to sit the California Bar (also New York.) I had a few of these
>>>>>> students in my classes, and they were really interesting people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for funding, I'm not sure but I would doubt there is any. An LLM
>>>>>> costs about $36,000 as I recall. A professor of mine suggested I do
>>>>>> their LLM and I said to him that thanks to the federal government and
>>>>>> scholarships, I had borrowed less than the LLM tuition over the 3
>>>>>> years of law school which I think is about the proper cost of a legal
>>>>>> education. I said that I just didn't think the cost-benefit analysis
>>>>>> made it worth pursuing. This was followed by total silence on my
>>>>>> professors’ part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Paul S. Wick, Esq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/12/13, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to take a general LLM focused on the American Law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not plan to teach in the near future but want to take the New
>>>>>>> York
>>>>>>> Bar
>>>>>>> Examination after the LLM if everything work out the way I am
>>>>>>> planning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 18:23, Fred Wright Lopez escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many LLM programs of study, but the starting question is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> you envision doing with a LLM degree?   Are you interested in an
>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>> / teaching career?  If so, in the United States or elsewhere?   If
>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>> than I would argue that the reputation of the school and it's LLM
>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>> will most assuredly factor into the hiring process.   If you want
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> LLM
>>>>>>>> in tax law than it may not count as much but would still factor in
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> hiring and promotional opportunities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By way of background, I attended UCLA and UC Berkeley as an
>>>>>>>> undergraduate
>>>>>>>> and UC Berkeley Law (Boalt Hall) for my JD degree.  Although I
>>>>>>>> graduated
>>>>>>>> many years ago did not purse an LLM I am familiar with the LLM
>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> Berkeley Law School.  The LLM program at Berkeley is world renown
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> highly competitive.   Many of the LLM students who come to Berkley
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> interested in teaching, technology / business or judicial
>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>> careers.   Several LLM students are on foregin government or US
>>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>> Department sponsored programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although lost my vision several years after graduating from Boalt
>>>>>>>> Hall
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> remain in close contact with the University on issues of disability
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> access for students.   The law school has had previous JD students
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> blind and visually impaired.   There are great support systems for
>>>>>>>> students on campus and in the community at large.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An additional aspect of any LLM program is not just course
>>>>>>>> offerings,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> access to professors and the make up of the LLM class.  Basically,
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> you make the kind of  contacts in an LLM program that will benefit
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> throughout your legal career.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope these commens of of some assistance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Federico (Fred) Wright Lopez
>>>>>>>> Boalt Hall "79
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Marcos Rodrigues wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks Adam, I will search tis school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 12/01/2013, às 17:06, Adam Zimmerman
>>>>>>>>> <adam.zimmerman719 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marco,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly a good question. With an LLM the rank of the law school
>>>>>>>>>> matters far less than it does for a JD. I base that statement on
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> background as a legal recruiter working externally with large
>>>>>>>>>> firms
>>>>>>>>>> prior to law school. I attended Suffolk University Law School in
>>>>>>>>>> downtown Boston which has a highly regarded international LLM
>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>> though the law school is ranked in the third tier by US News. I
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> lousy undergrad experience with respect to accommodations for
>>>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>> with visual disabilities at a prestigious liberal arts school
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>> not have a law school and I was thoroughly amazed at the quality
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> attentiveness of the Office of Disability Services at Suffolk Law
>>>>>>>>>> provided. I could not have asked for better partners in my legal
>>>>>>>>>> education. They went above and beyond on a regular basis to
>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> all my books in digital format and worked with me to deal with
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> concerns professors might have had. As a result of Suffolk Law's
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with me as a law student I am proud to say they have
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> least one blind or visually impaired student matriculated in
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> graduating class from 2010 to the present 1L class of 2015.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope that's helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Zimmerman, Esq.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>>>>> <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi listers:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking about taking a LLM in the US next year and would
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> know about good law schools in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also would like to know (if you do not mind answering) in what
>>>>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>>>>> school did you take your law course degree and post graduation
>>>>>>>>>>> degree
>>>>>>>>>>> or LLM?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>>>>>>>>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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