[blindlaw] Formatting Woes

Gerard Sadlier gerard.sadlier at gmail.com
Sun Sep 1 10:00:59 UTC 2013


Rahel,

Is there a secretary assigned to the team with which you work?

Perhaps you could send your draft document to the secretary before
your senior and get the secretary to check the formatting.

Then send it to the senior, for approval and then send to formatting executive.

G

On 9/1/13, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the great responses.
> Russ,
> I believe most law firms  provide  sample documents to their associates and
> interns so that they can use them  as  points of reference while preparing
> their own documents.
> While this is a reasonably good solution, the only problem is that the
> details in the original  document have to be altered which affects the
> formatting.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, though.
> Robert,
> That is an interesting suggestion. Like you, I've never really been fond of
> Braille.
> In fact, my knowledge about Braille is fairly limited since I have never had
> to really use it much.
> This is something that I can look into.
> Does this approach only allow  you to check the spellings and spacing, or
> does it also help in checking the formatting in a quicker manner?Angie,
> Most firms do have an executive whose job is to check the formatting of the
> documents before they are sent to  clients.
> But  there is 1  main problem:
>   The document has to be approved by your senior before it is sent to the
> formatting guy. So, an incorrectly formatted document can create a  very bad
> impression.
> Can you think of any way of circumventing this problem?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Rahul
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 1, 2013, at 12:21 PM, "Dittman, Robert" <rdittman at stmarytx.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I am a solo attorney so must find ways to get the work product completed
>> of as little errors as is possible.
>> I had a Refreshable 18 cel display called a "refreshabraille 18" that I
>> bought myself while in law school in order to use with my mobile phone.
>> In this way I would build up my use of Braille and thus increase my
>> reading speed.  Guess what?  It worked.
>>
>> Now that I am practicing, and having to generate work product, pleadings,
>> and other day to day documents, I find that perhaps more is required.  To
>> this end, I have bought myself an 80 cell display so that I can see as
>> much of the document as is possible; much like the sighted do their
>> edits.
>> Granted, not everyone can drop the coin on an 80 cell display, but it
>> would be good for most to pick up a display of any size.  First because it
>> will show you just how many mistakes in spelling we are making, and
>> secondly it helps with spacing awareness.
>>
>> Just my thoughts and by the way, I hated Braille as a kid.  It was
>> lawschool that made me see the light... I'd love to talk to kids, parents,
>> and other blind people about why Braille is so useful, and fun once you
>> realize it opens doors.
>>
>>
>> Robert D. Dittman, ESQ.
>> Attorney and Counselor at Law
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2013, at 1:08, "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do my best to use documents that are in the form I need, but
>>> invariably, something isn't exactly as it should be in the final
>>> product. My secretary is responsible for making sure my documents look
>>> Ok before I either send them out to clients or third parties or
>>> distribute them to the partner who gave me the assignment. This was
>>> how it worked when I was a summer associate as well. It is more
>>> efficient for my secretary to do this; it gives me more time to do
>>> more billable work.
>>>
>>> I also agree about a braille display. I could not do my job without one.
>>>
>>> Angie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/1/13, William Burley <wburley at burley-wilson.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree with this approach. If you don't have access to old forms, maybe
>>>> the
>>>> firm uses O'Connors forms for your particular state.
>>>>
>>>> Great conversation!
>>>>
>>>> Will Burley
>>>> Burley-Wilson & Associates
>>>> Main: 888-494-0031
>>>> Direct: 832-529-3243
>>>> Web:www.burley-wilson.com
>>>>
>>>> "Virtual Consultants for Your Success"
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 7:59 PM, "Russ Thomas"
>>>> <rthomas at emplmntattorney.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Find out what different formats you will need and then create one form
>>>>> of
>>>>> document for each format. Then when you need a particular format. Open
>>>>> that
>>>>> formatted document and use it. When you create a new document, rename
>>>>> the
>>>>> current document so that you do not compromise the basic form you are
>>>>> using.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, in California pleadings have to be prepared in a very
>>>>> particular format. We have a default pleading document which we all
>>>>> use
>>>>> --
>>>>> me and my sighted paralegals. Preformatted documents save you a lot of
>>>>> time
>>>>> and eliminate the risk of inconsistent or unacceptable documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul
>>>>> Bajaj
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:09 PM
>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Formatting Woes
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this message finds you well.
>>>>> I was wondering if we could have a dialogue about 1 major challenge
>>>>> which
>>>>> I
>>>>> have often  encountered during my internships and which  some of you
>>>>> must
>>>>> have had to confront as well at some point.
>>>>> As I am sure you know, it is not easy for a visually impaired person
>>>>> to
>>>>> format documents as effectively and quickly as a sighted person.
>>>>> Due to this inherent difficulty, it often becomes difficult to
>>>>> complete
>>>>> assignments in a time bound manner, as one has to scrupulously check
>>>>> the
>>>>> formatting of the documents which is not at all easy with a screen
>>>>> reader.
>>>>> The sighted person, who is responsible for assigning the work,
>>>>> generally
>>>>> believes that the  aforementioned delay is due to the fact that the VI
>>>>> person lacks efficiency and competence.
>>>>> This is primarily because most of them do not know how hard it is for
>>>>> a
>>>>> VI
>>>>> person to format documents independently. Another point worth noting
>>>>> is
>>>>> that
>>>>> the VI person cannot overlook evenminor instructions pertaining to the
>>>>> formatting of the documents just  to complete the work quickly,  as
>>>>> that
>>>>> would greatly tarnish his/her image.
>>>>> This problem prevents visually impaired people from truly showcasing
>>>>> their
>>>>> potential which substantially reduces their chances of getting a  job
>>>>> offer.
>>>>> So, what, in your view, is the best way of dealing with this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>
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