[blindlaw] Internship Problem

Sat Oct 25 21:10:02 UTC 2014

You are right that Window-Eyes is different than JAWS, but I don't see how NVDA isn't just as different.  Screen readers do take some time to learn.  Also, 
what has not really been discussed here is which software will be used as a part of the internship.  It would be good to find out what is most commonly used 
as it may work with one screen reader better than another, or it might not be all that accessible.  NVDA may not work as well with some older software as 
JAWS or Window-Eyes.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:35:25 -0500, Michael Nowicki via blindlaw wrote:

>Hi all,

>WindowEyes for Office works with all applications that are supported by the
>paid version.  The only major disadvantages of the free version is that
>customers must pay for technical support over the phone, and they don't get
>the installation CD or manuals/hotkey guides in the mail.

>I must also point out that unlike NVDA, WindowEyes keyboard commands differ
>substantially from their JAWS counterparts.  In fact, as a JAWS user, I
>personally find it extremely difficult to use WindowEyes in a productive
>manner.

>Best,

>Michal

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy Hoekstra
>via blindlaw
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:44 PM
>To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem

>Arjun, does Window Eyes work for any software if you get the free version
>with Office? Or does it just work with the Office applications?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arjun
>Malhotra via blindlaw
>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:26 PM
>To: Michael Nowicki; Blind Law Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem

>Another option for you is Windows eyes. Its free for MS office 2010 users,
>but you wont be having ETI eloquence.
>Arjun

>On 10/25/14, Michael Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It was WindowEyes; GW Micro used to offer a sixty day trial.
>> Freedomscientific does, however, offer a demo, but it requires the 
>> user to restart his/her computer every 40 minutes in order for the 
>> program to continue to work.  Starting with JAWS 16, though, the 
>> company plans to introduce timed licenses, which will be valid for 90 
>> days and will enable customers to pay for a permanent license over 
>> time if they so choose.  In other words, this will function similarly 
>> to the payment plan GW Micro
>used
>> to offer for WindowEyes (I'm not sure if they still do now that they 
>> offer WindowEyes for Office.)  I hope this helps.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Matney via blindlaw
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:57 PM
>> To: Aaron Cannon; Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem
>>
>> I seem to recall that FS used to make available a demo of JAWS that 
>> would run for a certain number of days, possibly for a minimal fee.
>> But perhaps that was GWMicro and WindowEyes. Sorry, I don't remember 
>> the details, but perhaps you could contact FS and see if they could 
>> provide such a demo version. I do hope you are able to resolve the 
>> issue.
>>
>> On 10/24/14, Aaron Cannon via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you have until January, you should have plenty of time to learn NVDA.
>>> It's really not that complicated as others have said, and in large 
>>> part, very similar to Jaws. You might even find that you like it 
>>> better. It does happen.
>>>
>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:55, Rahul Bajaj via blindlaw 
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am scheduled to intern in an intellectual property firm next 
>>>> January. Even though I haven't discussed the modalities with them 
>>>> yet, a friend of mine who has interned there before told me that 
>>>> they are averse to the idea of allowing their interns to use their 
>>>> own machines due to privacy concerns and ask their visually impaired 
>>>> interns to install a copy of the screen reading software of his/her 
>>>> choice on the firm's computers. Here in India, most people do not 
>>>> use original copies of screen reading software because they're 
>>>> ridiculously expensive and beyond their economic capacity. As a 
>>>> result, most of us buy pirated versions of software like JAWS from 
>>>> organizations that sell them because there's no other way to perform 
>>>> any substantive or concrete task on a computer. Now, since the firm 
>>>> that I'm planning on interning at is an IP firm, they do not allow 
>>>> interns to install pirated copies of screen reading software on 
>>>> their machines. At the same time, they're not willing to purchase an 
>>>> original copy of the software for me just for the sake of a 4-week 
>>>> internship. One possible solution could be to use an open source 
>>>> software like NVDA, but I don't think it would be feasible for me to 
>>>> acquire a nuanced understanding of NVDA in such a short span of time 
>>>> since I have never used it before or that it would allow me to use 
>>>> some advanced features as efficaciously as JAWS.
>>>> So, I'd love to know your views/ suggestions for grappling with this 
>>>> challenge. I want to be able to chalk out a clear solution before 
>>>> discussing this problem with the firm.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
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