[blindlaw] Internship Problem

Sun Oct 26 13:18:27 UTC 2014

One other thing to be aware of is that if the firm uses Open Office or
Libre Office, Jaws, and I strongly suspect Window Eyes will not work
with it.  Only NVDA works (and works pretty well) with those
applications, as far as I know.

Like Steve said, it will help a lot to know what applications you will be using.

Aaron

On 10/25/14, Steve Jacobson via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You are right that Window-Eyes is different than JAWS, but I don't see how
> NVDA isn't just as different.  Screen readers do take some time to learn.
> Also,
> what has not really been discussed here is which software will be used as a
> part of the internship.  It would be good to find out what is most commonly
> used
> as it may work with one screen reader better than another, or it might not
> be all that accessible.  NVDA may not work as well with some older software
> as
> JAWS or Window-Eyes.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:35:25 -0500, Michael Nowicki via blindlaw wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>
>>WindowEyes for Office works with all applications that are supported by
>> the
>>paid version.  The only major disadvantages of the free version is that
>>customers must pay for technical support over the phone, and they don't
>> get
>>the installation CD or manuals/hotkey guides in the mail.
>
>>I must also point out that unlike NVDA, WindowEyes keyboard commands
>> differ
>>substantially from their JAWS counterparts.  In fact, as a JAWS user, I
>>personally find it extremely difficult to use WindowEyes in a productive
>>manner.
>
>>Best,
>
>>Michal
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sy
>> Hoekstra
>>via blindlaw
>>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:44 PM
>>To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem
>
>>Arjun, does Window Eyes work for any software if you get the free version
>>with Office? Or does it just work with the Office applications?
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arjun
>>Malhotra via blindlaw
>>Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:26 PM
>>To: Michael Nowicki; Blind Law Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem
>
>>Another option for you is Windows eyes. Its free for MS office 2010 users,
>>but you wont be having ETI eloquence.
>>Arjun
>
>>On 10/25/14, Michael Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> It was WindowEyes; GW Micro used to offer a sixty day trial.
>>> Freedomscientific does, however, offer a demo, but it requires the
>>> user to restart his/her computer every 40 minutes in order for the
>>> program to continue to work.  Starting with JAWS 16, though, the
>>> company plans to introduce timed licenses, which will be valid for 90
>>> days and will enable customers to pay for a permanent license over
>>> time if they so choose.  In other words, this will function similarly
>>> to the payment plan GW Micro
>>used
>>> to offer for WindowEyes (I'm not sure if they still do now that they
>>> offer WindowEyes for Office.)  I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie
>>> Matney via blindlaw
>>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:57 PM
>>> To: Aaron Cannon; Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Internship Problem
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that FS used to make available a demo of JAWS that
>>> would run for a certain number of days, possibly for a minimal fee.
>>> But perhaps that was GWMicro and WindowEyes. Sorry, I don't remember
>>> the details, but perhaps you could contact FS and see if they could
>>> provide such a demo version. I do hope you are able to resolve the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> On 10/24/14, Aaron Cannon via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> If you have until January, you should have plenty of time to learn
>>>> NVDA.
>>>> It's really not that complicated as others have said, and in large
>>>> part, very similar to Jaws. You might even find that you like it
>>>> better. It does happen.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>> On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:55, Rahul Bajaj via blindlaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am scheduled to intern in an intellectual property firm next
>>>>> January. Even though I haven't discussed the modalities with them
>>>>> yet, a friend of mine who has interned there before told me that
>>>>> they are averse to the idea of allowing their interns to use their
>>>>> own machines due to privacy concerns and ask their visually impaired
>>>>> interns to install a copy of the screen reading software of his/her
>>>>> choice on the firm's computers. Here in India, most people do not
>>>>> use original copies of screen reading software because they're
>>>>> ridiculously expensive and beyond their economic capacity. As a
>>>>> result, most of us buy pirated versions of software like JAWS from
>>>>> organizations that sell them because there's no other way to perform
>>>>> any substantive or concrete task on a computer. Now, since the firm
>>>>> that I'm planning on interning at is an IP firm, they do not allow
>>>>> interns to install pirated copies of screen reading software on
>>>>> their machines. At the same time, they're not willing to purchase an
>>>>> original copy of the software for me just for the sake of a 4-week
>>>>> internship. One possible solution could be to use an open source
>>>>> software like NVDA, but I don't think it would be feasible for me to
>>>>> acquire a nuanced understanding of NVDA in such a short span of time
>>>>> since I have never used it before or that it would allow me to use
>>>>> some advanced features as efficaciously as JAWS.
>>>>> So, I'd love to know your views/ suggestions for grappling with this
>>>>> challenge. I want to be able to chalk out a clear solution before
>>>>> discussing this problem with the firm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rahul
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