[blindlaw] Question about relativity-software used to review documents

Wed Dec 2 19:02:45 UTC 2015

I will be wait-listed indefinitely.  I only got services the first time due to an unexpected federal grant; at the time, I was on an indefinite waiting list to learn and procure JAWS, as the "lite" version of assistive technology that my family had purchased for me to use (WinZoom, similar to ZoomText) was no longer sufficient.  A co-worker who is paralyzed and dependent on Dragon for her computer access has had similar roadblocks.

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From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via blindlaw
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Can't you open a VR case based on the need for retention services? I am no VR expert, but this should put you in a higher priority group.

Tai

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We have tried, without success.  Arizona is particularly crunched, and has reduced funds available to the counties, who in turn have made public defense a very low priority.  Additionally, my voc rehab case is closed, and because I am not in a priority group (which is to day, I am employed and not near retirement), the best I can hope for is a lengthy time on a waiting list.  Trust me, we have tried. 

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Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Question about relativity-software used to review documents

Native accessibility should always be priority.  However, sometimes it is not enough and r/a are required in the interim, including scripts.  I'd be surprised if you your agency couldn't afford it if you consider the larger pool of resources available in the county budget.  Often counties set aside a small ADA fund and refuse to go outside that fund to pay for r/a.  That is not a correct application of the law.  Virtual Vision Technologies is a JAWS scripts vendor.  Further, your state rehab agency ought to pay for the scripting if the employer truly cannot.

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From: Susan Kelly [mailto:Susan.Kelly at pima.gov]
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Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Question about relativity-software used to review documents

Out of curiosity, who would write these scripts?  When our agency (county public defender) insisted on buying an inaccessible file management program, my supervisor and I were assured that the company would work with us post-rollout to make it accessible.  We never heard another word from them on that, nor has the upper management of our office made a move to make the program accessible, likely because of the expense in both money and time that we simply do not have.  I personally have neither the time to do it myself nor the money to pay someone else to do it, so the work-around has been to require my assistant to load anything that I might need from this program (which serves as the official file for a case) into a Word or OCR-d PDF document.  As a further matter, she must do all of the date entry in the program notes section.  Needless to say, it is a frustrating and inefficient way to work.

All things considered, if a program is not inherently accessible, shouldn't we as a group pressure / persuade a change at the creation level?

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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about relativity-software used to review documents

FWIW, even if the software is natively inaccessible, the possibility of writing custom JAWS scripts to make it accessible exists.  

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From: Derek Manners [mailto:dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu]
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Question about relativity-software used to review documents

I've used relativity and while I was not using a screen reader at the time, my hunch is that it might not be accessible. If someone doesn't let you know soon with more direct knowledge, I can also access it and attempt to use jaws with it and let you know the results. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

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> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Marcos Rodrigues via blindlaw
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Hi friends:
> 
> Have someone used the platform/program mentioned on the subject?
> 
> If so, is it accessible with any screen reader?
> 
> Regards.
> Marcos Rodrigues
> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
> 
> 
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