[blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

ND Devine devinenora at gmail.com
Wed May 27 17:58:12 UTC 2015 

Good luck to all the test takers! Have you seen the LSAT Accommodation Tip
Sheet for Students who are Blind or Visually Impaired at
http://www.nalswd.org/resources.html. Sorry if it was already discussed.
Good luck!

Best Regards,

Nora Devine
Tel: 415-952-7538
devinenora at gmail.com

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Nicole Askins via blindlaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> That's great advice. I still have pretty viable vision so I am a visual
> learner. Thank you for your response I am trying a different method and AM
> beginning to find most of the games fun.
> On May 14, 2015 10:42 AM, "Shelley Richards via blindlaw" <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I do not believe it's the case that a person who is totally blind since
> > birth cannot do these games. I have been totally blind since birth and I
> > actually did quite well on the logic games section. I'm not very much
> help
> > to others in the situation though because I just happen to be one of
> those
> > very fortunate people who can keep track of the stuff in my head.  I
> don't
> > know how or why, but I've always been very good at stuff like this. I'm
> > also very good at doing even particularly complicated math problems in my
> > head. Most people I know who are totally blind and have done well on this
> > section either did it with an XL spreadsheet or by using some sort of
> > tactile system but not actual braille.  One person I know used a tactile
> > drawing kit with the rubber mat and the tool for drawling raised  line
> > pictures.  I do know somebody who used a Slayton stylus as well to make
> > marks on paper that would give them enough help to figure it out. The
> > majority of people I know who have taken this test used an Excel
> > spreadsheet though.  I actually thought the logic games were the best
> part
> > of the test, I found them fun because I enjoy that sort of thing.
> Although
> > among the group of blind people I know who have taken this test it seems
> > like those who already enjoyed it had a knack for the sort of thing found
> > the section not too difficult and those who did not have a natural knack
> > for doing this sort of thing could never find a way to make it easy for
> > themselves. Although I will say all of those people still did alright and
> > got into law school.  Most people I know practiced the logic games on a
> > daily basis leading up to the test, and they tried various methods of how
> > to approach the logic games before requesting their accommodations so
> they
> > knew exactly what they felt was going to work best for them.  It's hard
> to
> > give somebody step-by-step instructions on how best to do it because what
> > works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person,
> > and perhaps you need to try something completely different but nobody
> else
> > is done.  Just based on the conversations I've had with various people my
> > recommendation would be to use an XL spreadsheet and less you are the
> type
> > of person who really needs a visual tactile reference in which case the
> > raised  line drawing kids combined with a slate  and stylus seem to be
> the
> > best option.  My two friends who did the best on the LSAT and we're not
> > particularly good at logic games used an XL spreadsheet, however they are
> > both the type of person who learns best with auditory methods. They both
> > been blind since birth or very young and don't remember being able to see
> > so maybe that is why they learn best auditorily.   Just try every
> possible
> > method you can think of, and every method that anybody can suggest to you
> > until you figure out which way is going to work best. Good luck I hope
> you
> > do well.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 13, 2015, at 20:16, mike mcglashon via blindlaw <
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Guys:
> > >
> > > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June.
> > I took it in February and did 138.  I thought that was fabulous but I
> guess
> > the law schools don't like that score.  As far as the logic games, I
> found
> > that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille
> > writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my
> > mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any
> > better at it.  I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific
> > followable instructions to tackle such games.  Are there tutors out there
> > who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles?  someone like a
> > shrink who understands how the human brain works?  I am actually
> > considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to
> hit
> > on a couple of them just by chance.  My theory is that the logic
> reasoning
> > is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the
> > reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and
> then
> > let the chips fall where they may.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think of this?  Is it possible that since totally
> blind
> > persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the
> > detriment when it comes to these games?
> > >
> > > Please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM
> > > To: Blind Law Mailing List
> > > Cc: Kelby Carlson
> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> > >
> > > Nicole,
> > >
> > > Michal is right about this.  As much as you may hate to hear
> > > this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until
> > > September.  I would actually begin the accommodation process
> > > right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case.
> > > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you
> > > think you might need, and in very specific detail.  I made this
> > > mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic
> > > games that I had planned.  Fortunately I was still able to obtain
> > > a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky.
> > >
> > > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's.  I also had some luck
> > > using symbols on a braille display.  IT will take a good deal of
> > > experimentation and practice.  Use lots of practice tests with
> > > different problems and groupings.  See if things click, and don't
> > > be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets.
> > >
> > > K.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > > Date sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> > >
> > > Hi Nicole,
> > >
> > > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel
> > > spreadsheet to
> > > sketch out the games.  I chose Excel over tactile objects because
> > > I quickly
> > > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various
> > > conditions
> > > that way.
> > >
> > > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups,
> > > as those are
> > > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members
> > > of each
> > > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings.  I also
> > > recommend a
> > > separate row for all the rules.  The key to success on logic
> > > games is
> > > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to
> > > experiment.
> > >
> > > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games,
> > > so don't
> > > even try taking the easy way out.  In fact, I was very fortunate
> > > to get all
> > > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had
> > > major
> > > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does
> > > not like to
> > > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their
> > > needs are met.
> > > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT
> > > in June,
> > > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are
> > > not in a
> > > position to request specific accommodations.  You can't, for
> > > instance,
> > > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and
> > > show up on
> > > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program;
> > > each
> > > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and
> > > the process
> > > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming.  As a
> > > matter of
> > > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed.
> > >
> > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at
> > > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you
> > > have further questions.  Good luck!
> > >
> > > Michal
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > Nicole
> > > Askins via blindlaw
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM
> > > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > > Cc: Nicole Askins
> > > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> > >
> > > Greetings all,
> > >
> > >
> > > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for
> > > giving me
> > > information about it.
> > > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and
> > > can not seem
> > > to get a handle on the Grouping Games.  since some of you may
> > > have experience
> > > with this test, please advise.
> > > 1.  Did anyone have this section of the test omitted?
> > > 2.  how did you create the diagrams if not omitted?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole
> > > Askins
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