[blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games

Thu May 14 15:15:14 UTC 2015

That's great advice. I still have pretty viable vision so I am a visual
learner. Thank you for your response I am trying a different method and AM
beginning to find most of the games fun.
On May 14, 2015 10:42 AM, "Shelley Richards via blindlaw" <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> I do not believe it's the case that a person who is totally blind since
> birth cannot do these games. I have been totally blind since birth and I
> actually did quite well on the logic games section. I'm not very much help
> to others in the situation though because I just happen to be one of those
> very fortunate people who can keep track of the stuff in my head.  I don't
> know how or why, but I've always been very good at stuff like this. I'm
> also very good at doing even particularly complicated math problems in my
> head. Most people I know who are totally blind and have done well on this
> section either did it with an XL spreadsheet or by using some sort of
> tactile system but not actual braille.  One person I know used a tactile
> drawing kit with the rubber mat and the tool for drawling raised  line
> pictures.  I do know somebody who used a Slayton stylus as well to make
> marks on paper that would give them enough help to figure it out. The
> majority of people I know who have taken this test used an Excel
> spreadsheet though.  I actually thought the logic games were the best part
> of the test, I found them fun because I enjoy that sort of thing. Although
> among the group of blind people I know who have taken this test it seems
> like those who already enjoyed it had a knack for the sort of thing found
> the section not too difficult and those who did not have a natural knack
> for doing this sort of thing could never find a way to make it easy for
> themselves. Although I will say all of those people still did alright and
> got into law school.  Most people I know practiced the logic games on a
> daily basis leading up to the test, and they tried various methods of how
> to approach the logic games before requesting their accommodations so they
> knew exactly what they felt was going to work best for them.  It's hard to
> give somebody step-by-step instructions on how best to do it because what
> works for one person is not necessarily going to work for another person,
> and perhaps you need to try something completely different but nobody else
> is done.  Just based on the conversations I've had with various people my
> recommendation would be to use an XL spreadsheet and less you are the type
> of person who really needs a visual tactile reference in which case the
> raised  line drawing kids combined with a slate  and stylus seem to be the
> best option.  My two friends who did the best on the LSAT and we're not
> particularly good at logic games used an XL spreadsheet, however they are
> both the type of person who learns best with auditory methods. They both
> been blind since birth or very young and don't remember being able to see
> so maybe that is why they learn best auditorily.   Just try every possible
> method you can think of, and every method that anybody can suggest to you
> until you figure out which way is going to work best. Good luck I hope you
> do well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 13, 2015, at 20:16, mike mcglashon via blindlaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Guys:
> >
> > I have been following this thread and I too am taking the LSAT in June.
> I took it in February and did 138.  I thought that was fabulous but I guess
> the law schools don't like that score.  As far as the logic games, I found
> that even though I tried to use excel, braille display, and also braille
> writers, etc, I found that II still was getting it all jumbled up in my
> mind; I've been practicing since last january and I haven't gotten any
> better at it.  I think what Nicole and I are looking for is very specific
> followable instructions to tackle such games.  Are there tutors out there
> who specialize in teaching blind persons these puzzles?  someone like a
> shrink who understands how the human brain works?  I am actually
> considering just guessing "d" for all the game questions; I'm bound to hit
> on a couple of them just by chance.  My theory is that the logic reasoning
> is two sections of the test; therefore between those two sections and the
> reading section that should get me at least 140 or slightly better and then
> let the chips fall where they may.
> >
> > What do you guys think of this?  Is it possible that since totally blind
> persons from birth can only visualize in two dimensions, this is the
> detriment when it comes to these games?
> >
> > Please advise.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Kelby Carlson via blindlaw
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 6:51 PM
> > To: Blind Law Mailing List
> > Cc: Kelby Carlson
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >
> > Nicole,
> >
> > Michal is right about this.  As much as you may hate to hear
> > this, it's probably better to hold off on taking the test until
> > September.  I would actually begin the accommodation process
> > right now; it is literally never too early to start in this case.
> > You'll need to request absolutely every single accommodation you
> > think you might need, and in very specific detail.  I made this
> > mistake and was not able to use the accommodations for the logic
> > games that I had planned.  Fortunately I was still able to obtain
> > a reasonable score, but in many ways I was lucky.
> >
> > As for suggestions, I would echo Michal's.  I also had some luck
> > using symbols on a braille display.  IT will take a good deal of
> > experimentation and practice.  Use lots of practice tests with
> > different problems and groupings.  See if things click, and don't
> > be afraid to try different methods with different sorts of sets.
> >
> > K.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Wed, 13 May 2015 18:10:54 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >
> > Hi Nicole,
> >
> > When I took the LSAT last year, I used a Microsoft Excel
> > spreadsheet to
> > sketch out the games.  I chose Excel over tactile objects because
> > I quickly
> > discovered that it would be much easier to manipulate the various
> > conditions
> > that way.
> >
> > For grouping games, I recommend you use columns for the groups,
> > as those are
> > the stable elements in the game, and that you place the members
> > of each
> > group in the cells below the appropriate group headings.  I also
> > recommend a
> > separate row for all the rules.  The key to success on logic
> > games is
> > working out a strategy that works for you, so feel free to
> > experiment.
> >
> > You can be certain that LSAC will not let you skip logic games,
> > so don't
> > even try taking the easy way out.  In fact, I was very fortunate
> > to get all
> > the accommodations I requested, as many blind test takers had
> > major
> > difficulties getting the accommodations they needed; LSAC does
> > not like to
> > work with test takers with disabilities to insure that their
> > needs are met.
> > With that in mind, I'm afraid you won't be able to take the LSAT
> > in June,
> > since you don't yet know how to tackle logic games and thus are
> > not in a
> > position to request specific accommodations.  You can't, for
> > instance,
> > decide that Excel works best for you a week before the test and
> > show up on
> > the day of the exam expecting to be allowed to use the program;
> > each
> > accommodation must be preapproved by LSAC well in advance, and
> > the process
> > for requesting accommodations can be very time-consuming.  As a
> > matter of
> > fact, the deadline for the June test may have already passed.
> >
> > Please don't hesitate to contact me off-list at
> > mnowicki4 at iCloud.com if you
> > have further questions.  Good luck!
> >
> > Michal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindlaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Nicole
> > Askins via blindlaw
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:05 PM
> > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Nicole Askins
> > Subject: [blindlaw] LSAT Logic Games
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> >
> > I am new to this list serve and would like to thank valarie for
> > giving me
> > information about it.
> > I have a question, I am scheduled to take the LSAT in June and
> > can not seem
> > to get a handle on the Grouping Games.  since some of you may
> > have experience
> > with this test, please advise.
> > 1.  Did anyone have this section of the test omitted?
> > 2.  how did you create the diagrams if not omitted?
> >
> > Thank you for your time and attention to this matter Nicole
> > Askins
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