[blindLaw] Discrimination

Tue Oct 1 20:52:09 UTC 2019

Brian,

My copy of JAWS doesn't-- Nor has it ever. Interesting. Do you know
why yours would and others' would not?

Sanho

On 10/1/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Really?  Not in my experience.  Can you give us an example of what you mean?
>
> On 10/1/19, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> JAWS does this as well.
>>
>> Brian
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>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson
>> via
>> BlindLaw
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>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>
>> For anybody who uses NVDA, you can tell if a quote is a smart quote
>> because
>> NVDA will say left/right quote, not just quote.
>>
>> On 9/28/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Fair point, Ger.  And then to hold me accountable going forward if  I
>>> didn't fix them.
>>>
>>> On 9/25/19, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> I must say, I think the appropriate course for your under-graduate
>>>> Professors to have followed would have been to:
>>>> 1. Mark on the substance (since to do otherwise would presumably
>>>> effect your grades and therefore have a disproportionate impact on
>>>> your future); and 2. To tell you they were doing so and why and
>>>> explain the issues with content.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Ger
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Right, exactly.  I submitted paper upon paper upon paper in
>>>>> undergrad with these errors.  I was judged based on the "substance,"
>>>>> because that's what the profs thought was "equitable."  In fact, it
>>>>> wasn't.
>>>>> Because no one's going to care about "equity" when you're tasked
>>>>> with drafting something for a client.  This is why I really think
>>>>> this is in the back of people's minds... how much extra work are we
>>>>> going to need to put in to make her work look presentable?
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are right, Angie.  People just don't think to tell.  And
>>>>> they see this stuff and think, it'll only take a second for me to
>>>>> fix this...  No harm, no foul.
>>>>>
>>>>> My example is that I never had Braille marking/sound schemes turned
>>>>> on for highlighting.  I never really thought about highlighting.
>>>>> But people at my Firm would highlight things that needed to be
>>>>> filled in when filing, such as the final word count and the
>>>>> submission date.  So although I would fill in everything, they were
>>>>> still in yellow.  My assistant was just changing everything.  After
>>>>> I had yet another uncomfortable conversation about how I knew she
>>>>> thought she was helping, and I really appreciated it, etc etc etc
>>>>> etc etc, she told me she'd make sure to tell me if anything similar
>>>>> came
>>>>> up in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ha.  You are all proving my point, sadly.  The same happened to me,
>>>>>> except htat my law review editor pointed it out.  The same thing
>>>>>> happens with an apostrophe.  A "straight" apostrophe is ascii value
>>>>>> 39, and curly smart apostrophes are 8216 and 8217.  Hate to tell
>>>>>> you, Angie, but any apostrophes would have come out as straight
>>>>>> when drafted in note pad too.  This can also happen when
>>>>>> copy/pasting from Westlaw or briefs or pdfs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been asking people at Vispero to make it possible to
>>>>>> customize the Jaws word dictionary so that you can add 34 and
>>>>>> replace it with the word "straight quote" and likewise with the
>>>>>> straight apostrophe.
>>>>>> This used to work, but doesn't anymore.  But since Jaws seems to be
>>>>>> so tempermental these days, you might give it a go and see if it
>>>>>> works for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no, there is no Braille differences between these symbols.  I,
>>>>>> too, check for underlying ascii values.  I also do a control+F
>>>>>> before submitting any document, searching for a ^34 and ^39.
>>>>>> Placing a caret before the number causes word to search for the ascii
>>>>>> value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any difference whatsoever.
>>>>>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how in the
>>>>>>> world do we learn these things while we're still in school?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk about double
>>>>>>>> quotes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at the bottom.
>>>>>>>> The widest point is at the top. There is  only one symbol that
>>>>>>>> represents the quotation mark, whether it is an opening quote or
>>>>>>>> a closing quote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point at the
>>>>>>>> bottom, but they are curved. The opening quote is shaped similar
>>>>>>>> to a print letter “C,”
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on the right of
>>>>>>>> the enclosed material, is shaped like a backwards “C,” so its
>>>>>>>> curve faces to the left. It is almost like they are enclosing the
>>>>>>>> material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart quotes, since the
>>>>>>>> opening and closing quotes are different. I guess you could use
>>>>>>>> two apostrophes to represent both opening and closing quotes in
>>>>>>>> braille, but I really don’t see that very often. I don’t think
>>>>>>>> braille has an equivalent for the straight quote, but someone
>>>>>>>> please jump in and correct me it I’m wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and pasting it
>>>>>>>> into this email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Wayne via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
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>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol for a smart
>>>>>>>> quote?
>>>>>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
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>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Shannon via BlindLaw
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>>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry Laura,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My question
>>>>>>>> was regarding knowing the difference between a straight and smart
>>>>>>>> quote/apostrophe?
>>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you explain.
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I don't quite
>>>>>>>> understand what you are trying to ask.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm trying to get at
>>>>>>>> is that we have to face the sad but true reality that there are,
>>>>>>>> in fact, blind attorneys out there who produce work of lesser
>>>>>>>> visual quality, whose firms or legal assistants or whatever come
>>>>>>>> along behind and clean up the work.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as Angie said, the
>>>>>>>> person continues to remain unaware of the errors they make over
>>>>>>>> and over again, and the people continue to believe that the blind
>>>>>>>> person is not as capable as the rest of their peers. This has
>>>>>>>> happened to me also. I have even had conversations where I
>>>>>>>> initially pressed the superior to give me blind specific
>>>>>>>> feedback, they said nothing was wrong, then I pressed and said
>>>>>>>> "this is very important to me. Whatever you tell me, I will be
>>>>>>>> able to figure out a way to address it." And then they did give
>>>>>>>> me some feedback.
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and noticed
>>>>>>>> that his emails were formatted whackily. The junior partner told
>>>>>>>> my friend not to say anything but, being friends with me, he knew
>>>>>>>> it was the right thing to do.
>>>>>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a bit
>>>>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real about the soft
>>>>>>>> skills help we need, and we need to create awareness that is
>>>>>>>> indeed OK to tell a blind person "Hey, Just an FYI, you are
>>>>>>>> occasionally doing something that makes your documents look
>>>>>>>> strange."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Laura and all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion surrounding
>>>>>>>>> employment discrimination. I have planned conversations with a
>>>>>>>>> couple of attorneys responsible for hiring associates and will
>>>>>>>>> ask them for more information. Laura, I will send you an email
>>>>>>>>> off-list to learn more from your perspective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law school
>>>>>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that temporary
>>>>>>>>>> position is ending next Monday. And, despite my wholehearted
>>>>>>>>>> efforts over the last 6 months to find work, I have no
>>>>>>>>>> employment lined up. (Somewhat jokingly) I’m far too bitter at
>>>>>>>>>> this point to sell someone on a career in law. I think Meredith
>>>>>>>>>> and James have done an excellent job of giving you all you
>>>>>>>>>> should consider in looking to go to law school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability rights related
>>>>>>>>>> work in law school because I did not want to be placed in that
>>>>>>>>>> box either.
>>>>>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that employers in
>>>>>>>>>> that area might be a bit more understanding and educated. I was
>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Do not assume that those who practice disability rights
>>>>>>>>>> law are any less susceptible to the biases, misperceptions, or
>>>>>>>>>> lack of understanding that leads to employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue educating
>>>>>>>>>> folks on the reality that blind or visually impaired attorneys
>>>>>>>>>> are as capable as their sighted counterparts in all but a very
>>>>>>>>>> few ways. My local bar has created a Taskforce to address,
>>>>>>>>>> among other issues, employment discrimination against persons
>>>>>>>>>> with disabilities in the legal profession. We are trying to
>>>>>>>>>> provide education to members of the bar on the capacity of
>>>>>>>>>> lawyers with disabilities in the hopes that this will alleviate
>>>>>>>>>> some of the underlying causes of employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>> This is done by presenting at meetings of the local bench and
>>>>>>>>>> bar, hosting CLE’s, and publishing writings like the blog post
>>>>>>>>>> linked below.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-Co
>>>>>>>>>>mmitt
>>>>>>>>>><https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C
>>>>>>>>>>ommitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>> ee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as good
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons for people like myself and Sanho pursuing a legal
>>>>>>>>>>> degree? I took the LSAT this past Saturday. I am proud of that
>>>>>>>>>>> for whatever it’s worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such anecdotes
>>>>>>>>>>> provide a majority of what we used to fill our sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the existence of a
>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I have worried
>>>>>>>>>>> that someone will see my GPA and somehow assume that all of my
>>>>>>>>>>> professors have independently decided to be generous and grant
>>>>>>>>>>> grades which I do not deserve. This is of course irrational
>>>>>>>>>>> but still what I’m hearing supports that fear.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the law. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>> particularly drawn to disability rights. One of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>>> why is that I don’t want to be silo into a field which others
>>>>>>>>>>> expect me to enter. I don’t want to be limited to practice law
>>>>>>>>>>> in an area related to one of my most visible and perceptibly
>>>>>>>>>>> limiting characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the most excepting
>>>>>>>>>>> field of practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the dictation
>>>>>>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose. I don’t
>>>>>>>>>>> have time to perfect this dispatch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James’ point is spot on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James’ observation is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the experience a blind candidate may possess by way of
>>>>>>>>>>>> externships and internships does not seem to assuage
>>>>>>>>>>>> employers’ concerns about the candidates’ ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. Despite my four externships during law school in
>>>>>>>>>>>> which I was able to perform the work assigned to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction of my supervisors, I think employers still doubt
>>>>>>>>>>>> my abilities to deliver the work they expect. Shouldn’t my
>>>>>>>>>>>> history of success in the workplace evidence my ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>> thrive in practice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people in general
>>>>>>>>>>>> have no issue trusting that I am capable to do something, so
>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I am not being paid to do it. I have absolutely no
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem securing volunteer or community involvement
>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities. .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with performance in law
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school being seen as a parlor trick. Despite the fact that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a degree and a license, I was asked in a job interview
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I got those things if I can’t read a physical book. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to be under the impression that someone must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me with all my schooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am treated by other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attorneys when they find out I have my own firm versus how I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was treated when I was first out of school and looking for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you work for yourself other attorneys see you as someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can potentially work with and it is easier to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more intense than I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it would be before entering the profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and stimulus for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart break.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also blind, also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an attorney, practicing for quite some time now--that many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers pretty much look at a blind person's success in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school as a "parlor trick"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in practice. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think he's right, and it makes a great deal of sense in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light of my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in law school,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is still extremely important by the way, with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things that law school doesn't prepare you for: taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions, handling contentious meetings with opposing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counsel, reviewing documents, and, of course, handling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence with any kind of visual aspect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of these things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before being?? seen as potentially able to do them in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I understand that things are somewhat less grim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for people who have clerkships. I will soon find out if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is true in my own case. I also don't know if the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fears cloud employers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance?? setting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the nature of the work. So, be prepared for a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejection, but still be the best possible candidate, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can be competitive for opportunities that can act
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a bridge to a long-term, full-time position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my naive self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought when I was first licensed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you found hiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices so far? Messages are welcome on or off-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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