[blindLaw] Discrimination

Tue Oct 1 20:35:04 UTC 2019

Really?  Not in my experience.  Can you give us an example of what you mean?

On 10/1/19, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> JAWS does this as well.
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> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:30 AM
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> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
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> For anybody who uses NVDA, you can tell if a quote is a smart quote because
> NVDA will say left/right quote, not just quote.
>
> On 9/28/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Fair point, Ger.  And then to hold me accountable going forward if  I
>> didn't fix them.
>>
>> On 9/25/19, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> I must say, I think the appropriate course for your under-graduate
>>> Professors to have followed would have been to:
>>> 1. Mark on the substance (since to do otherwise would presumably
>>> effect your grades and therefore have a disproportionate impact on
>>> your future); and 2. To tell you they were doing so and why and
>>> explain the issues with content.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Ger
>>>
>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Right, exactly.  I submitted paper upon paper upon paper in
>>>> undergrad with these errors.  I was judged based on the "substance,"
>>>> because that's what the profs thought was "equitable."  In fact, it
>>>> wasn't.
>>>> Because no one's going to care about "equity" when you're tasked
>>>> with drafting something for a client.  This is why I really think
>>>> this is in the back of people's minds... how much extra work are we
>>>> going to need to put in to make her work look presentable?
>>>>
>>>> And you are right, Angie.  People just don't think to tell.  And
>>>> they see this stuff and think, it'll only take a second for me to
>>>> fix this...  No harm, no foul.
>>>>
>>>> My example is that I never had Braille marking/sound schemes turned
>>>> on for highlighting.  I never really thought about highlighting.
>>>> But people at my Firm would highlight things that needed to be
>>>> filled in when filing, such as the final word count and the
>>>> submission date.  So although I would fill in everything, they were
>>>> still in yellow.  My assistant was just changing everything.  After
>>>> I had yet another uncomfortable conversation about how I knew she
>>>> thought she was helping, and I really appreciated it, etc etc etc
>>>> etc etc, she told me she'd make sure to tell me if anything similar came
>>>> up in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ha.  You are all proving my point, sadly.  The same happened to me,
>>>>> except htat my law review editor pointed it out.  The same thing
>>>>> happens with an apostrophe.  A "straight" apostrophe is ascii value
>>>>> 39, and curly smart apostrophes are 8216 and 8217.  Hate to tell
>>>>> you, Angie, but any apostrophes would have come out as straight
>>>>> when drafted in note pad too.  This can also happen when
>>>>> copy/pasting from Westlaw or briefs or pdfs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been asking people at Vispero to make it possible to
>>>>> customize the Jaws word dictionary so that you can add 34 and
>>>>> replace it with the word "straight quote" and likewise with the
>>>>> straight apostrophe.
>>>>> This used to work, but doesn't anymore.  But since Jaws seems to be
>>>>> so tempermental these days, you might give it a go and see if it
>>>>> works for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, there is no Braille differences between these symbols.  I,
>>>>> too, check for underlying ascii values.  I also do a control+F
>>>>> before submitting any document, searching for a ^34 and ^39.
>>>>> Placing a caret before the number causes word to search for the ascii
>>>>> value.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any difference whatsoever.
>>>>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how in the
>>>>>> world do we learn these things while we're still in school?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk about double
>>>>>>> quotes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at the bottom.
>>>>>>> The widest point is at the top. There is  only one symbol that
>>>>>>> represents the quotation mark, whether it is an opening quote or
>>>>>>> a closing quote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point at the
>>>>>>> bottom, but they are curved. The opening quote is shaped similar
>>>>>>> to a print letter “C,”
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on the right of
>>>>>>> the enclosed material, is shaped like a backwards “C,” so its
>>>>>>> curve faces to the left. It is almost like they are enclosing the
>>>>>>> material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart quotes, since the
>>>>>>> opening and closing quotes are different. I guess you could use
>>>>>>> two apostrophes to represent both opening and closing quotes in
>>>>>>> braille, but I really don’t see that very often. I don’t think
>>>>>>> braille has an equivalent for the straight quote, but someone
>>>>>>> please jump in and correct me it I’m wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and pasting it
>>>>>>> into this email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Wayne via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
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>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol for a smart
>>>>>>> quote?
>>>>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Shannon via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:18 PM
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>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Laura,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My question
>>>>>>> was regarding knowing the difference between a straight and smart
>>>>>>> quote/apostrophe?
>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you explain.
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I don't quite
>>>>>>> understand what you are trying to ask.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm trying to get at
>>>>>>> is that we have to face the sad but true reality that there are,
>>>>>>> in fact, blind attorneys out there who produce work of lesser
>>>>>>> visual quality, whose firms or legal assistants or whatever come
>>>>>>> along behind and clean up the work.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as Angie said, the
>>>>>>> person continues to remain unaware of the errors they make over
>>>>>>> and over again, and the people continue to believe that the blind
>>>>>>> person is not as capable as the rest of their peers. This has
>>>>>>> happened to me also. I have even had conversations where I
>>>>>>> initially pressed the superior to give me blind specific
>>>>>>> feedback, they said nothing was wrong, then I pressed and said
>>>>>>> "this is very important to me. Whatever you tell me, I will be
>>>>>>> able to figure out a way to address it." And then they did give
>>>>>>> me some feedback.
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and noticed
>>>>>>> that his emails were formatted whackily. The junior partner told
>>>>>>> my friend not to say anything but, being friends with me, he knew
>>>>>>> it was the right thing to do.
>>>>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a bit
>>>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real about the soft
>>>>>>> skills help we need, and we need to create awareness that is
>>>>>>> indeed OK to tell a blind person "Hey, Just an FYI, you are
>>>>>>> occasionally doing something that makes your documents look
>>>>>>> strange."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Laura and all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion surrounding
>>>>>>>> employment discrimination. I have planned conversations with a
>>>>>>>> couple of attorneys responsible for hiring associates and will
>>>>>>>> ask them for more information. Laura, I will send you an email
>>>>>>>> off-list to learn more from your perspective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law school
>>>>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that temporary
>>>>>>>>> position is ending next Monday. And, despite my wholehearted
>>>>>>>>> efforts over the last 6 months to find work, I have no
>>>>>>>>> employment lined up. (Somewhat jokingly) I’m far too bitter at
>>>>>>>>> this point to sell someone on a career in law. I think Meredith
>>>>>>>>> and James have done an excellent job of giving you all you
>>>>>>>>> should consider in looking to go to law school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability rights related
>>>>>>>>> work in law school because I did not want to be placed in that
>>>>>>>>> box either.
>>>>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that employers in
>>>>>>>>> that area might be a bit more understanding and educated. I was
>>>>>>>>> wrong. Do not assume that those who practice disability rights
>>>>>>>>> law are any less susceptible to the biases, misperceptions, or
>>>>>>>>> lack of understanding that leads to employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue educating
>>>>>>>>> folks on the reality that blind or visually impaired attorneys
>>>>>>>>> are as capable as their sighted counterparts in all but a very
>>>>>>>>> few ways. My local bar has created a Taskforce to address,
>>>>>>>>> among other issues, employment discrimination against persons
>>>>>>>>> with disabilities in the legal profession. We are trying to
>>>>>>>>> provide education to members of the bar on the capacity of
>>>>>>>>> lawyers with disabilities in the hopes that this will alleviate
>>>>>>>>> some of the underlying causes of employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>> This is done by presenting at meetings of the local bench and
>>>>>>>>> bar, hosting CLE’s, and publishing writings like the blog post
>>>>>>>>> linked below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-Co
>>>>>>>>>mmitt
>>>>>>>>><https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C
>>>>>>>>>ommitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> ee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as good
>>>>>>>>>> reasons for people like myself and Sanho pursuing a legal
>>>>>>>>>> degree? I took the LSAT this past Saturday. I am proud of that
>>>>>>>>>> for whatever it’s worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such anecdotes
>>>>>>>>>> provide a majority of what we used to fill our sales.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the existence of a
>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I have worried
>>>>>>>>>> that someone will see my GPA and somehow assume that all of my
>>>>>>>>>> professors have independently decided to be generous and grant
>>>>>>>>>> grades which I do not deserve. This is of course irrational
>>>>>>>>>> but still what I’m hearing supports that fear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the law. I am not
>>>>>>>>>> particularly drawn to disability rights. One of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>> why is that I don’t want to be silo into a field which others
>>>>>>>>>> expect me to enter. I don’t want to be limited to practice law
>>>>>>>>>> in an area related to one of my most visible and perceptibly
>>>>>>>>>> limiting characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the most excepting
>>>>>>>>>> field of practice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the dictation
>>>>>>>>>> errors.
>>>>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose. I don’t
>>>>>>>>>> have time to perfect this dispatch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James’ point is spot on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James’ observation is
>>>>>>>>>>> that the experience a blind candidate may possess by way of
>>>>>>>>>>> externships and internships does not seem to assuage
>>>>>>>>>>> employers’ concerns about the candidates’ ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> practice. Despite my four externships during law school in
>>>>>>>>>>> which I was able to perform the work assigned to the
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction of my supervisors, I think employers still doubt
>>>>>>>>>>> my abilities to deliver the work they expect. Shouldn’t my
>>>>>>>>>>> history of success in the workplace evidence my ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> thrive in practice?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people in general
>>>>>>>>>>> have no issue trusting that I am capable to do something, so
>>>>>>>>>>> long as I am not being paid to do it. I have absolutely no
>>>>>>>>>>> problem securing volunteer or community involvement
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities. .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with performance in law
>>>>>>>>>>>> school being seen as a parlor trick. Despite the fact that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a degree and a license, I was asked in a job interview
>>>>>>>>>>>> how I got those things if I can’t read a physical book. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to be under the impression that someone must have
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me with all my schooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am treated by other
>>>>>>>>>>>> attorneys when they find out I have my own firm versus how I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was treated when I was first out of school and looking for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>> you work for yourself other attorneys see you as someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> they can potentially work with and it is easier to make
>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more intense than I
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it would be before entering the profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and stimulus for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart break.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also blind, also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an attorney, practicing for quite some time now--that many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers pretty much look at a blind person's success in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school as a "parlor trick"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in practice. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think he's right, and it makes a great deal of sense in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light of my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in law school,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is still extremely important by the way, with all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things that law school doesn't prepare you for: taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions, handling contentious meetings with opposing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counsel, reviewing documents, and, of course, handling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence with any kind of visual aspect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of these things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before being?? seen as potentially able to do them in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I understand that things are somewhat less grim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for people who have clerkships. I will soon find out if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is true in my own case. I also don't know if the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fears cloud employers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance?? setting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the nature of the work. So, be prepared for a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejection, but still be the best possible candidate, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can be competitive for opportunities that can act
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a bridge to a long-term, full-time position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my naive self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought when I was first licensed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you found hiring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices so far? Messages are welcome on or off-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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