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Sun Aug 29 22:37:26 UTC 2021

In terms of tables ABBY fine reader is great.

In terms of handwritten notes, I was very clear with my summer employers
that old PDFs or those with hand written notes are not good for my
computer.

I would print the document and then OCR it with
SeeingAI, handwritten mode.
Or just send it to my mom to read. Family members and friends are great!

Good luck!

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On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 4:22 PM Shannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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> I did not understand the police report was handwritten; In Texas where I
> practice the reports are typed, but unfortunately they are in a table
> format
> and have many abbreviations.  I use Kurswell, Jaws ocr and Adobe, but all
> three get these tables and columns out of order and misread some of the
> characters.  If someone on this list has found a reliable way to have these
> type of documents OCR'd; I'd love to talk to them.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 4:50 PM
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> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] information
>
> Roderick,
>
> I am not a lawyer, but I have some thoughts from a technical and general
> perspective.  In the long run, you will have to get a sense of how much
> handwriting you will need to read.  Other lawyers here can answer that
> better than I can, but it is almost certain that this will be a recurring
> issue.  At this point, there just isn't anything that will reliably convert
> handwriting into characters that allow us to examine with a screen reader.
> Seeing AI was suggested in another note but while I have occasionally
> gotten
> it to read certain bits of handwriting, I don't think it will reliably read
> handwriting for legal purposes.  There are times, though, when reading a
> paper document using an iPhone will be valuable.  Seeing AI will do that as
> will VoiceDream Scanner and Supersense.  All three tend to read different
> things well, so it makes sense to know all three well.  If you are a JAWS
> user, you have access to Convenient OCR which can also work, but none of
> these will reliably read handwriting all of the time or even very
> completely.
>
> I am not sure what issue prevents you from getting information from "Be My
> Eyes" from a PDF, although it might be an issue to run that app and an app
> that reads PDF's.  Did you try displaying it on another computer screen and
> have them read the document from that screen?  If the document isn't too
> long, printing it out on paper would give you another option to try with Be
> My Eyes.  If you need this specific document to move ahead with a project
> right now, figuring out how to make it possible for Be My Eyes to read it
> might be a good solution if you don't have anybody available to help you
> out
> for the short term.  However, you will want to take an organized approach.
> You don't want them to read the whole document from start to finish.  You
> will want them to see where the handwriting is.  There may be large
> portions
> of the document you can read that is regular text and you might be able to
> have them concentrate on the areas that have handwriting.
>
> You said you could only read 20% of the document.  Is that because 80% is
> written by hand or are there other issues?  When reading a PDF on a
> personal
> computer, there are options that can sometimes help if you are getting the
> text out of order.  Acrobat has an option to read from left to right, top
> to
> bottom, or Infer reading order from document.  Trying both options may
> result in getting something more satisfactory, but it won't change the
> handwriting issue.
>
> If the PDF's are being prepared for you from printed documents, there may
> be
> scanner settings that might allow a document to be converted to text more
> reliably.  It is hard to make suggestions along those lines without more
> information.
>
> This is likely frustrating for you.  Remember, though, that employers offer
> internships to find out how creative potential employees are.  It also
> gives
> you a chance to experiment to some degree and learn.  Good luck.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Roderick Thomas
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: blind law <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Roderick Thomas <rthomas48 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] information
>
> Hey Guys, I am going crazy. I am currently working at a criminal defense
> firm as a legal intern. I just recently took the bar exam, but I have not
> received my scores yet. I need to read a criminal arrest report, but some
> parts of the document is write by hand. I tried using AIR, but they are so
> expensive and they really do not transcribe documents. I tried using Be My
> Eyes, but the document is in a PDF, so no volunteer can read the document;
> even if, they take a picture of the document with there cell phone. I tried
> converting the document to a searchable PDF, but that was a total
> nightmare.
> I could only read twenty percent of the document. I spoke with the owner of
> the law firm, and suggested that someone read the document into a MP3, but
> he said, "No because that would not be a good use of his resources." Also,
> he said, that "Everyone must pull there own weight." I tried hiring a
> part-time Paralegal remotely, but she is not working out as well. Moreover,
> I only make $13 an hour. The firm is very small with only five people
> including the owner. I am running out of ideas. I love the job, but someone
> told me, that "You cannot be a criminal defense attorney alone. You need an
> assistance. How is that possible, when I have not passed the bar exam?
> Please help! I have only worked at this law firm for two weeks
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Roderick Thomas.
>
>
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