[blindLaw] information

Shannon sbg at sbgaal.com
Mon Aug 30 22:55:41 UTC 2021 

I just downloaded a 7 day free trial of Abby Fine reader 15 to try it out
and I opened a pdf and Jaws and NVDA were unable to get me to the menu.  Is
there something I can do differently to access the program.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Shannon Brady Geihsler

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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Teresita Rios via
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] information

In terms of tables ABBY fine reader is great.

In terms of handwritten notes, I was very clear with my summer employers
that old PDFs or those with hand written notes are not good for my computer.

I would print the document and then OCR it with SeeingAI, handwritten mode.
Or just send it to my mom to read. Family members and friends are great!

Good luck!

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On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 4:22 PM Shannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I did not understand the police report was handwritten; In Texas where 
> I practice the reports are typed, but unfortunately they are in a 
> table format and have many abbreviations.  I use Kurswell, Jaws ocr 
> and Adobe, but all three get these tables and columns out of order and 
> misread some of the characters.  If someone on this list has found a 
> reliable way to have these type of documents OCR'd; I'd love to talk 
> to them.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
> 1212 Texas Avenue
> Lubbock, Texas 79401
> Office:  (806) 763-3999
> Mobile:  (806) 781-9296
> Fax:  (806) 749-3752
> E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com
> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged 
> and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended 
> recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or 
> forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you 
> are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all
copies.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Steve 
> Jacobson via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 4:50 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] information
>
> Roderick,
>
> I am not a lawyer, but I have some thoughts from a technical and 
> general perspective.  In the long run, you will have to get a sense of 
> how much handwriting you will need to read.  Other lawyers here can 
> answer that better than I can, but it is almost certain that this will 
> be a recurring issue.  At this point, there just isn't anything that 
> will reliably convert handwriting into characters that allow us to examine
with a screen reader.
> Seeing AI was suggested in another note but while I have occasionally 
> gotten it to read certain bits of handwriting, I don't think it will 
> reliably read handwriting for legal purposes.  There are times, 
> though, when reading a paper document using an iPhone will be 
> valuable.  Seeing AI will do that as will VoiceDream Scanner and 
> Supersense.  All three tend to read different things well, so it makes 
> sense to know all three well.  If you are a JAWS user, you have access 
> to Convenient OCR which can also work, but none of these will reliably 
> read handwriting all of the time or even very completely.
>
> I am not sure what issue prevents you from getting information from 
> "Be My Eyes" from a PDF, although it might be an issue to run that app 
> and an app that reads PDF's.  Did you try displaying it on another 
> computer screen and have them read the document from that screen?  If 
> the document isn't too long, printing it out on paper would give you 
> another option to try with Be My Eyes.  If you need this specific 
> document to move ahead with a project right now, figuring out how to 
> make it possible for Be My Eyes to read it might be a good solution if 
> you don't have anybody available to help you out for the short term.  
> However, you will want to take an organized approach.
> You don't want them to read the whole document from start to finish.  
> You will want them to see where the handwriting is.  There may be 
> large portions of the document you can read that is regular text and 
> you might be able to have them concentrate on the areas that have 
> handwriting.
>
> You said you could only read 20% of the document.  Is that because 80% 
> is written by hand or are there other issues?  When reading a PDF on a 
> personal computer, there are options that can sometimes help if you 
> are getting the text out of order.  Acrobat has an option to read from 
> left to right, top to bottom, or Infer reading order from document.  
> Trying both options may result in getting something more satisfactory, 
> but it won't change the handwriting issue.
>
> If the PDF's are being prepared for you from printed documents, there 
> may be scanner settings that might allow a document to be converted to 
> text more reliably.  It is hard to make suggestions along those lines 
> without more information.
>
> This is likely frustrating for you.  Remember, though, that employers 
> offer internships to find out how creative potential employees are.  
> It also gives you a chance to experiment to some degree and learn.  
> Good luck.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Roderick 
> Thomas via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 11:05 AM
> To: blind law <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Roderick Thomas <rthomas48 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] information
>
> Hey Guys, I am going crazy. I am currently working at a criminal 
> defense firm as a legal intern. I just recently took the bar exam, but 
> I have not received my scores yet. I need to read a criminal arrest 
> report, but some parts of the document is write by hand. I tried using 
> AIR, but they are so expensive and they really do not transcribe 
> documents. I tried using Be My Eyes, but the document is in a PDF, so 
> no volunteer can read the document; even if, they take a picture of 
> the document with there cell phone. I tried converting the document to 
> a searchable PDF, but that was a total nightmare.
> I could only read twenty percent of the document. I spoke with the 
> owner of the law firm, and suggested that someone read the document 
> into a MP3, but he said, "No because that would not be a good use of 
> his resources." Also, he said, that "Everyone must pull there own 
> weight." I tried hiring a part-time Paralegal remotely, but she is not 
> working out as well. Moreover, I only make $13 an hour. The firm is 
> very small with only five people including the owner. I am running out 
> of ideas. I love the job, but someone told me, that "You cannot be a 
> criminal defense attorney alone. You need an assistance. How is that
possible, when I have not passed the bar exam?
> Please help! I have only worked at this law firm for two weeks
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Roderick Thomas.
>
>
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