[blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.

[Maitreya Shah]

Thanks everyone.
Plugging in headphones before booting is not working every time with
my machine. It also often loses the connection after an initial
recognition. It is especially embarrassing in classes and meetings
when JAWS suddenly starts shouting from the built-in speakers.
I do like Aaron's idea of getting USB headphones though.
Thank you!

On 2/24/22, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Have you tried USB headphones? Those use an entirely different mechanism
> within Windows when connected, so that may fix it for you.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Aaron
>
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>
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 09:53, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these
>> issues with my Dell XPS.
>> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the
>> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external
>> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones
>> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
>> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would
>> work with the Dell machine?
>> All best,
>> Maitreya.
>>
>>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader
>>> occasionally
>>> experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc.
>>> While
>>> this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was
>>> a
>>> cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>>>
>>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my
>>> computer
>>> – we shall see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes
>>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly
>>> close
>>> or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>>>
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>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this
>>> issue
>>> with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can
>>> affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Short Description
>>>
>>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors
>>> appear,
>>> or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service
>>> is
>>> running.
>>>
>>> Problem
>>>
>>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its
>>> onboard
>>> audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer.
>>> Windows®
>>> may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may
>>> close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>>>
>>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the
>>> Solution
>>> if you wish to have more background information.
>>>
>>> Solution
>>>
>>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>>>
>>>  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>>  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then
>>> press
>>> the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>>  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>>  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>>  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>>  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio
>>> Service
>>> Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the
>>> problem.
>>>  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to
>>> disable it.
>>>  8.  Restart the computer.
>>>  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you
>>> are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take
>>> several
>>> sessions.
>>>  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio
>>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N
>>> to
>>> enable it.
>>>
>>> Note:
>>>
>>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service
>>> Application
>>> is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a
>>> different
>>> output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer
>>> will not use them until rebooting.
>>>
>>> Detailed Description
>>>
>>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the
>>> “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is running, your
>>> system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is
>>> being
>>> used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio
>>> software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which
>>> has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The
>>> result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications
>>> like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system
>>> will
>>> begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some
>>> point
>>> enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing
>>> applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to
>>> operate.
>>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application
>>> will
>>> either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the
>>> Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may
>>> simply
>>> exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these
>>> symptoms
>>> occur.
>>>
>>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab
>>> to
>>> the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of
>>> available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB
>>> of
>>> available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual
>>> memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your
>>> page
>>> file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first
>>> boot
>>> up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check
>>> this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory
>>> values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values
>>> you
>>> can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the
>>> same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or
>>> unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost
>>> no
>>> 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>>>
>>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would
>>> expect
>>> Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of
>>> RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of
>>> RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of
>>> 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine
>>> the
>>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near
>>> the
>>> values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but
>>> if
>>> you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of
>>> physical
>>> memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB
>>> or
>>> greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have
>>> seen
>>> that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin
>>> closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how
>>> much one is using the machine.
>>>
>>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility
>>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the
>>> Waves
>>> Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what
>>> can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can
>>> programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem.
>>> Intel
>>> will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves
>>> Max
>>> Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s
>>> audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and
>>> other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek
>>> audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>>>
>>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the
>>> Waves
>>> MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>>>
>>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves
>>> MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to
>>> automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>>>
>>>  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>>  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† and
>>> press ENTER.
>>>
>>>
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>> School (2021-22)
>> Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
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Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
School (2021-22)
Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
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