[blindLaw] Selective Diversity and Inclusion

Fri Mar 10 18:24:17 UTC 2023

I hope it is okay. I took liberty to change the subject line for more
constructive interactions on the topic.

>From my perspective, the issue at hand is audacity. Indeed, all the talk
about accessibility and disability inclusion is primarily rooted in a
mindset of compliance than anything else, as has been said. While this may
eventually change, I do not believe we have yet reached a point where those
responsible for inclusive hiring possess a genuinely inclusive mindset, to
put it nicely. In so many ways, many of these policies are created with
lofty language but with no meaningful impact on the lives of people with
disabilities.

Many individuals in these roles may be comfortable pushing initiatives that
run counter to DEI principles if assigned to do so. In many ways, it seems
that the whole thing has just become another kind of job, albeit one that is
currently trendy.

For there be inclusive hiring, one needs to be sufficiently informed of the
untapped potential of people with disabilities. I frankly do not believe
there are enough of that kind of open-minded professionals in the workforce
that can pass this test. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We need true leaders on the front line to make it happen, and we are just
not there yet unfortunately.

My 2 cents.

Rod,

Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
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Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others

Mike,

I, for one, appreciate your candid and thoughtful response. I was worried
that my question was going to come across as snark. I'm glad it wasn't taken
that way. I agree with what you say in your clarification. I don't know that
I want those laws or policies to stop existing, but I do see the contrast
between where they helped get us and how far we still have to go, as well as
the new, additional hurdles such laws and policies have created. I want to
be valued, not tolerated, and I want it to be because of who I am, not to
avoid a lawsuit.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I think what I am saying is that we have become so entrenched in 
> passing policies and laws that we forget that the whole premise here 
> is "how to get along with others" on an individual basis.
> It seems to me that in modern times the sighted world is hung up on 
> "compliance with the law" rather than the personal interaction with us 
> blindees.
> I am old enough to remember life before the ADA and such.  I want to 
> be special; I want to be remembered because I am different than 
> everyone else, even if the blind factor is what sets me apart.  It is 
> a negotiating tactic that the ADA and other laws have taken away from me.
> Whatever happened to negotiating with sighted persons on a personal level?
> I would rather not deal with sighted persons at all if they don't 
> think I am capable of doing anything rather than they deal with me 
> because the law says they have too.
> It seems further that I hear the "word" compliance" more now than I 
> ever have in my lifetime.
> I would rather have you deal with me because you "want too" rather 
> than because you "have too".
> I believe that laws have de-personalized our interactions between we 
> blind and sighted.
> I hope this makes sense to you.
> Furthermore, I hope these comments are not demeaning nor 
> discriminatory per the list guidelines.
>
>
> Please advise as you like.
>
> Mike M.
>
> Mike mcglashon
> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
> Ph: 618 783 9331
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho 
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:49 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm intrigued by the premise that policies and laws don't solve the 
> problem resulting in the conclusion that "so we should stop doing it."
> I'm presuming 'it' means instituting such policies and laws. I'm 
> trying to imagine a parallel--getting rid of the ADA, IDEA, and the 
> Social Security Act because they don't actually abolish ableism in and of
themselves.
>
> Sanho
>
> On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Quoting:
>> we are not going to achieve inclusion by demeaning others.
>> End quote:
>> And we will not achieve it by policies and laws either.
>> So, we really should stop doing it.
>>
>>
>> Please advise as you like.
>>
>> Mike M.
>>
>> Mike mcglashon
>> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
>> Ph: 618 783 9331
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David 
>> Andrews via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 10:12 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: David Andrews <dandrews920 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>>
>> There have been some messages lately about Diversity, Equity and
> Inclusion.
>> It has been pointed out that blind persons are sometimes left out of 
>> DEI considerations. Further, some messages have not been very 
>> respectful of gay and trans-gender persons.
>>
>> I would agree that we are sometimes passed over in DEI 
>> considerations, however, we are not going to achieve inclusion by
demeaning others.
>>
>> Please treat everybody with the respect you would expect for yourself.
>>
>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>
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