[blindLaw] Respect for Others

Fri Mar 10 19:14:18 UTC 2023

Dave,

Very well-said. Thank you.

Sanho

On 3/10/23, David Andrews via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Change is a complicated thing. There are different stages all of which you
> must go through, and to a certain extent, some of this is generational, and
> until some of us old guys move on, there may not be much change.
>
> Having said all that, I will add that as a part of change you must get
> people to say the right thing, first, even if they don't believe it
> initially.  Over time the mind, and the body will hopefully follow the
> mouth.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 11:13 AM
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> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>
> Mike,
>
> I, for one, appreciate your candid and thoughtful response. I was worried
> that my question was going to come across as snark. I'm glad it wasn't
> taken
> that way. I agree with what you say in your clarification. I don't know
> that
> I want those laws or policies to stop existing, but I do see the contrast
> between where they helped get us and how far we still have to go, as well
> as
> the new, additional hurdles such laws and policies have created. I want to
> be valued, not tolerated, and I want it to be because of who I am, not to
> avoid a lawsuit.
>
> Warmth,
> Sanho
>
> On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> I think what I am saying is that we have become so entrenched in
>> passing policies and laws that we forget that the whole premise here
>> is "how to get along with others" on an individual basis.
>> It seems to me that in modern times the sighted world is hung up on
>> "compliance with the law" rather than the personal interaction with us
>> blindees.
>> I am old enough to remember life before the ADA and such.  I want to
>> be special; I want to be remembered because I am different than
>> everyone else, even if the blind factor is what sets me apart.  It is
>> a negotiating tactic that the ADA and other laws have taken away from me.
>> Whatever happened to negotiating with sighted persons on a personal
>> level?
>> I would rather not deal with sighted persons at all if they don't
>> think I am capable of doing anything rather than they deal with me
>> because the law says they have too.
>> It seems further that I hear the "word" compliance" more now than I
>> ever have in my lifetime.
>> I would rather have you deal with me because you "want too" rather
>> than because you "have too".
>> I believe that laws have de-personalized our interactions between we
>> blind and sighted.
>> I hope this makes sense to you.
>> Furthermore, I hope these comments are not demeaning nor
>> discriminatory per the list guidelines.
>>
>>
>> Please advise as you like.
>>
>> Mike M.
>>
>> Mike mcglashon
>> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
>> Ph: 618 783 9331
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2023 10:49 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I'm intrigued by the premise that policies and laws don't solve the
>> problem resulting in the conclusion that "so we should stop doing it."
>> I'm presuming 'it' means instituting such policies and laws. I'm
>> trying to imagine a parallel--getting rid of the ADA, IDEA, and the
>> Social Security Act because they don't actually abolish ableism in and of
> themselves.
>>
>> Sanho
>>
>> On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Quoting:
>>> we are not going to achieve inclusion by demeaning others.
>>> End quote:
>>> And we will not achieve it by policies and laws either.
>>> So, we really should stop doing it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please advise as you like.
>>>
>>> Mike M.
>>>
>>> Mike mcglashon
>>> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
>>> Ph: 618 783 9331
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>>> Andrews via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 10:12 PM
>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: David Andrews <dandrews920 at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>>>
>>> There have been some messages lately about Diversity, Equity and
>> Inclusion.
>>> It has been pointed out that blind persons are sometimes left out of
>>> DEI considerations. Further, some messages have not been very
>>> respectful of gay and trans-gender persons.
>>>
>>> I would agree that we are sometimes passed over in DEI
>>> considerations, however, we are not going to achieve inclusion by
> demeaning others.
>>>
>>> Please treat everybody with the respect you would expect for yourself.
>>>
>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>>
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