[blindLaw] Respect for Others

Fri Mar 10 20:05:04 UTC 2023

Mike, I understand what you are saying. But at the end of the day, I have to work to support my family. While I would prefer to work only with people who truly believe in DEIA principles (I now see the “A” sometimes, to refer to accessibility), I don’t believe I have that luxury. I like to think that working in some of these environments helps change perception and advance the cause somewhat. Having said all of this, I feel like my current employer generally “gets it,” and I’m glad to be in a situation where that is the case.

Thanks to Mike and everyone else who has respectfully participated in this dialogue.

Best,

Angie

From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw
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Quoting:
as a part of change you must get people to say the right thing, first, even
if they don't believe it initially.  Over time the mind, and the body will
hopefully follow the mouth.
End quote:
This is my problem; I do not want people telling me something that is not
genuine.  As I said earlier, I do not wish to do social/business with them
if they are only being patronistic and they do not truly believe what they
are saying.

Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others

Change is a complicated thing. There are different stages all of which you
must go through, and to a certain extent, some of this is generational, and
until some of us old guys move on, there may not be much change.

Having said all that, I will add that as a part of change you must get
people to say the right thing, first, even if they don't believe it
initially.  Over time the mind, and the body will hopefully follow the
mouth.

Dave

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others

Mike,

I, for one, appreciate your candid and thoughtful response. I was worried
that my question was going to come across as snark. I'm glad it wasn't taken
that way. I agree with what you say in your clarification. I don't know that
I want those laws or policies to stop existing, but I do see the contrast
between where they helped get us and how far we still have to go, as well as
the new, additional hurdles such laws and policies have created. I want to
be valued, not tolerated, and I want it to be because of who I am, not to
avoid a lawsuit.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I think what I am saying is that we have become so entrenched in
> passing policies and laws that we forget that the whole premise here
> is "how to get along with others" on an individual basis.
> It seems to me that in modern times the sighted world is hung up on
> "compliance with the law" rather than the personal interaction with us
> blindees.
> I am old enough to remember life before the ADA and such.  I want to
> be special; I want to be remembered because I am different than
> everyone else, even if the blind factor is what sets me apart.  It is
> a negotiating tactic that the ADA and other laws have taken away from me.
> Whatever happened to negotiating with sighted persons on a personal level?
> I would rather not deal with sighted persons at all if they don't
> think I am capable of doing anything rather than they deal with me
> because the law says they have too.
> It seems further that I hear the "word" compliance" more now than I
> ever have in my lifetime.
> I would rather have you deal with me because you "want too" rather
> than because you "have too".
> I believe that laws have de-personalized our interactions between we
> blind and sighted.
> I hope this makes sense to you.
> Furthermore, I hope these comments are not demeaning nor
> discriminatory per the list guidelines.
>
>
> Please advise as you like.
>
> Mike M.
>
> Mike mcglashon
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> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
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> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm intrigued by the premise that policies and laws don't solve the
> problem resulting in the conclusion that "so we should stop doing it."
> I'm presuming 'it' means instituting such policies and laws. I'm
> trying to imagine a parallel--getting rid of the ADA, IDEA, and the
> Social Security Act because they don't actually abolish ableism in and
> of
themselves.
>
> Sanho
>
> On 3/10/23, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> Quoting:
>> we are not going to achieve inclusion by demeaning others.
>> End quote:
>> And we will not achieve it by policies and laws either.
>> So, we really should stop doing it.
>>
>>
>> Please advise as you like.
>>
>> Mike M.
>>
>> Mike mcglashon
>> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net<mailto:Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net>
>> Ph: 618 783 9331
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>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of David
>> Andrews via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 10:12 PM
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>> Cc: David Andrews <dandrews920 at comcast.net<mailto:dandrews920 at comcast.net>>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Respect for Others
>>
>> There have been some messages lately about Diversity, Equity and
> Inclusion.
>> It has been pointed out that blind persons are sometimes left out of
>> DEI considerations. Further, some messages have not been very
>> respectful of gay and trans-gender persons.
>>
>> I would agree that we are sometimes passed over in DEI
>> considerations, however, we are not going to achieve inclusion by
demeaning others.
>>
>> Please treat everybody with the respect you would expect for yourself.
>>
>> David Andrews, List Owner
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