[Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person

Thu Nov 20 05:08:15 UTC 2008

Neil et al,

Thank you for all of the helpful responses. I have a good idea now of what I 
need to look for and what to ask for in order to make things work.

Thanks,

Lori

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal K" <neal at duxsys.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'" 
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person

> Please excuse me if this has already been covered.
> 6 Key entry refers to the six keys on the Perkins Brailler
> See
> http://support.perkins.org/site/PageServer?pagename=store_perkinsbrailler_hi
> story&JServSessionIdr001=252bskuan3.app43a
>
> DBT Win, a braille translation software, and PerkyDuck, a free six key
> computer program, both support six-key input.
>
> This uses regular keyboards that have "full key rollover."  Or in plain
> English when you press up to six keys at the same time the keyboard sends
> the signal for all of those six keys.  Normally the home row keys on a
> QWERTY key board represent the six keys.  So F would be dot 1, D would be
> dot 2, S would be dot 3, J would be dot 4, K would be dot 5, and L would 
> be
> dot 6.  An easy test is just to press all six keys in a word processor 
> such
> as MS WORD, if all six letters show up you are fine.
>
> There are also several very nice simple USB six-key keyboards which were
> designed for direct braille input.
>
> The two most popular I am aware of are:
> The Galatee http://www.techno-vision.co.uk/galatee.htm
> and the Power Chord Braille Keyboard  http://www.exceptionalteaching.com/
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Sincerely,
> Neal
> Email: Neal at duxsys.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Debbie Willis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person
>
> A braille cell is made up of six dots; these six dots are arranged in two
> columns with three dots in each column.  The upper left dot is dot 1; left
> middle is dot 2; left bottom is dot 3; upper right is dot 4; right middle 
> is
> dot 5; right bottom is dot 6.  These six dots correspond to a variety of
> manual and electronic note takers and braille writers.  The keys on the 
> note
> takers and braille writers are generally arranged in two horizontal sets;
> we'll call set 1 on the left, and set 2 on the right.  Starting with the
> rightmost key in set 1, this key corresponds to dot 1.  The middle key in
> set 1 on the left side corresponds to dot 2; and the leftmost key in set 1
> corresponds to dot 3.  Starting with the leftmost key in set 2, this key
> corresponds to dot 4.  The middle key in set 2 on the right corresponds to
> dot 5; and the rightmost key in set 2 corresponds to dot 6.  By pressing 
> one
> or more of the six keys simultaneously, a person is able to produce 
> readable
> braille or to take notes in braille.  There are also some QWERTY keyboards
> that have been programmed to accept 6-key entry, i.e. select letters or
> numbers have been mapped in such a way to correspond with braille dots 1
> through 6.
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
> Behalf Of Rich Caloggero
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:03 PM
> To: navydarlene at yahoo.com; Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person
>
> I believe 6-key refers to the 6-key type keyboard found on Perkins 
> Braillers
> and many portable electronic notetakers. Instead of each key entering one
> letter / number / symbol, you actually punch several keys to enter a given
> symbol. The keys you press are the ones which form that symbol in braille,
> so if the symbol is the  letter "d", you'd press keys 1, 4, and 5 on the
> 6-key keypad.
>
> Hope that helps.
> -- Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darlene Dorr" <navydarlene at yahoo.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person
>
>
> Can someone please explain what 6 key entry is? My son uses duxbury, not 
> for
> math as of yet because he still uses a perkins brallewriter but am unclear
> what 6 key is.
>
> Thanks
>
> Darlene
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, nlibre at gmail.com <nlibre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: nlibre at gmail.com <nlibre at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind person
>> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:23 AM
>> I use 6-key entry with Duxbury for Nemeth and LaTeX and it
>> works very
>> nicely.  I also use Perky Duck a lot when I'm not on a
>> computer with a full
>> version of Duxbury.  That also works just fine.  In
>> addition to the
>> software, you have to make sure that the keyboard you are
>> using supports
>> 6-key entry.  There are keyboards that will not support it.
>>  For example,
>> two weeks ago, I was working with a university student on a
>> project for his
>> transcription class and he did not have access to a Perkins
>> Braille writer
>> on campus but assumed that he could use Duxbury because it
>> was installed on
>> the DSP lab computer with JAWS.  When he started having
>> trouble entering the
>> symbol for "t", I checked and realized that it
>> was the keyboard.  Since it
>> was a Sunday, of course there was no one with
>> administrative rights to the
>> computer to try and adjust settings or install Perky Duck
>> to check if it
>> might work with the keyboard.  Even the keyboards were
>> locked to each
>> computer so we could not swap keyboards and try to trouble
>> shoot it that
>> way.  Fortunately, I had my laptop with me and we just used
>> Perky Duck on it
>> and transferred the files for embossing.
>>
>> Nicolás
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Lori
>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:29 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: [Blindmath] producing Nemeth math as a blind
>> person
>>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I used Nemeth math all through school so I'm familiar
>> with hand brailling
>> it, however, I'm wondering if there are electronic
>> methods that a blind
>> person can use. Is something like scientific Notebook
>> accessible for someone
>>
>> who is totally blind? What equipment and technology is out
>> there that is
>> accessible to blind people. Also, if you are handed a print
>> worksheet is
>> there a program to use to scan and put into braille that is
>> accessible to
>> the blind?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lori
>>
>>
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