[Blindmath] Stat Formulas

Thu Sep 23 20:09:46 UTC 2010

Hi Birkir.   How's it going?
Out of curiosity, is there a manual brailer or slate that supports 8-dot 
braille? or is that just for refreshable displays on computers and embossed 
material?
Just wondering.
Thanks.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson" <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas


Excellent, thanks guys. It is all a bit clearer to me.
Out of curiosity (and may be I should put this in an entirely separate 
topic).
Has anyone contemplated the possible usefullness of an 8-dot braille
math code and simulated Perkins keyboard?
Does anyone have an 8-dot braille keyboard simulator?
Is there any program that would accept Nemith braille as input and
display the actual mathematic symbols on the screen (not braille or
the literary equivalent)?
Thanks
-Birkir


On 9/23/10, Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com> wrote:
> Constanza summed it up with one exception, the production.  Most braille
> programs have a simulated braille keyboard for entry.  so the letters F, 
> D,
> S and J, K, L are your 6 keys for entering braille.  That way you don't 
> need
> to know the literary equivalent, even though many people when learning
> Nemeth learn it in reference to literary symbols.  Depending on the 
> program
> the quality of nemeth translation will show the equivalent in print and/or
> braille.
>
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:53 AM, cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us wrote:
>
>> Regarding .brf files that I have produced for the student I work with (or
>> have let them create) the symbols on the screen look like simulated
>> braille or in some cases they are ASCII code, or as we say where I work,
>> computer braille.
>>
>> Simulated braille looks like braille only it shows all the dots. The dots
>> within a cell that would be read are bolder, or more pronounced, then the
>> other dots that you would not read, (the ones you don't remind me of weak
>> dots).
>>
>> ASCII  or computer braille is the symbols used on the keyboard to produce
>> the desired braille sign. For example, to produce the braille sign to
>> indicate greater than or equal to you would use the keyboard keys shift
>> and quote, then the letter key k, then the shift and semi-colon key.
>>
>> On the computer screen you would either see dot 5, dots 4-6, dots 1-5-6 
>> or
>> you would see quotation, k, colon, depending on how you have your program
>> set or how it's default settings are set.
>>
>> Hope this helps and didn't further confuse you.
>>
>> Constanza S. Baker
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a question regarding .brf files. I have never actually used
>>> them (I either got my math brailled for me or invented my own LaTeX
>>> style system to write on on my computer, only a few months ago did I
>>> get my own embosser, and it is so loud I can hardly use it in an
>>> apartment building).
>>> What do these symbols look like on the screen?
>>> With the old math production system in Iceland they wrote whatever
>>> letter or symbol created the necessary dot pattern. Say the sum symbol
>>> was dots 1246, which happens to be the Ielandic letter thorn "þ", so
>>> they simply used that character. Since the book would be embossed and
>>> handed to the student it didn't matter what the math looked like to a
>>> sighted computer user, who would never use that file.
>>> In the .brf file, do the dots show up on the screen, do the
>>> corresponding math symbols show up (too good to be true) or just
>>> gibberish?
>>> Thanks
>>> -Birkir
>>> p.s. Sina, do you still live in Cary? Shoot me an email off-list so we
>>> can plan to have lunch some time.
>>>
>>> On 9/22/10, Sina Bahram <sbahram at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> It's a .brf file. I think since you mentioned you were a Braille reader
>>>> earlier, it was assumed you might have a Braille display.
>>>>
>>>> A .brf file is simply a text file which has had the characters in
>>> it written
>>>> in such a way, that when sent to a Braille display, in
>>>> grade 1 with no translation, it appears correct.
>>>>
>>>> In other words, just use notepad, wordpad, or whatever, and then
>>> simply use
>>>> any kind of program like Jaws or others that communicate
>>>> with a Braille display.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:14 PM
>>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>>>>
>>>> What program do I need to use to open the file?
>>>>
>>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>>> Undergraduate Student
>>>> The University Honors Program
>>>> East Carolina University
>>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>>
>>>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>>>> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> on behalf
>>>> of Sean Tikkun [jaquis at mac.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:24 PM
>>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>>>>
>>>> How do these look to people?  Please share or critique, I'd like to
>>> post
>>>> these on the web somewhere more widely available.
>>>>
>>>> http://web.me.com/jaquis/Through_Seans_Eyes/TVI_solutions/Entries/2010/9/22_Braille_AP_Statistics.html
>>>>
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