[Blindmath] Stat Formulas

Thu Sep 23 20:22:05 UTC 2010

Hi Laura

How are you?
I'll see you on BrailleBlaster , hopefully tomorrow (just finished a
20 page research report and a 12-pager for a web conference, so
finally back in what one may call sanity land).
No, I have never seen an 8-dot slater or Perkins actually, most note
takers have 8-dot braille, and the Danish have converted all their
braille output to 8 dots and claim their readers are not at all
adversely effected in terms of speed. I have tried it and it is a
little strange but I got used to it pretty fast.
I believe almost all embossers are capable of embossing 8-dot braille
and, as everyone knows, I am fascinated with the possible implications
for math.
I am not so sure we need 8-dot braille for every day reading, for one
thing I prefer audio books for any pleasure reading, and Jaws for
study that is not scientific, but that's a different story.
See you soon, have bunch of questions on BrailleBlaster, but will ask
them in the appropriate forum.
Cheers
-Birkir


On 9/23/10, qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Birkir.   How's it going?
> Out of curiosity, is there a manual brailer or slate that supports 8-dot
> braille? or is that just for refreshable displays on computers and embossed
> material?
> Just wondering.
> Thanks.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson" <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>
>
> Excellent, thanks guys. It is all a bit clearer to me.
> Out of curiosity (and may be I should put this in an entirely separate
> topic).
> Has anyone contemplated the possible usefullness of an 8-dot braille
> math code and simulated Perkins keyboard?
> Does anyone have an 8-dot braille keyboard simulator?
> Is there any program that would accept Nemith braille as input and
> display the actual mathematic symbols on the screen (not braille or
> the literary equivalent)?
> Thanks
> -Birkir
>
>
> On 9/23/10, Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com> wrote:
>> Constanza summed it up with one exception, the production.  Most braille
>> programs have a simulated braille keyboard for entry.  so the letters F,
>> D,
>> S and J, K, L are your 6 keys for entering braille.  That way you don't
>> need
>> to know the literary equivalent, even though many people when learning
>> Nemeth learn it in reference to literary symbols.  Depending on the
>> program
>> the quality of nemeth translation will show the equivalent in print and/or
>> braille.
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:53 AM, cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding .brf files that I have produced for the student I work with (or
>>> have let them create) the symbols on the screen look like simulated
>>> braille or in some cases they are ASCII code, or as we say where I work,
>>> computer braille.
>>>
>>> Simulated braille looks like braille only it shows all the dots. The dots
>>> within a cell that would be read are bolder, or more pronounced, then the
>>> other dots that you would not read, (the ones you don't remind me of weak
>>> dots).
>>>
>>> ASCII  or computer braille is the symbols used on the keyboard to produce
>>> the desired braille sign. For example, to produce the braille sign to
>>> indicate greater than or equal to you would use the keyboard keys shift
>>> and quote, then the letter key k, then the shift and semi-colon key.
>>>
>>> On the computer screen you would either see dot 5, dots 4-6, dots 1-5-6
>>> or
>>> you would see quotation, k, colon, depending on how you have your program
>>> set or how it's default settings are set.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps and didn't further confuse you.
>>>
>>> Constanza S. Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:29 am
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I have a question regarding .brf files. I have never actually used
>>>> them (I either got my math brailled for me or invented my own LaTeX
>>>> style system to write on on my computer, only a few months ago did I
>>>> get my own embosser, and it is so loud I can hardly use it in an
>>>> apartment building).
>>>> What do these symbols look like on the screen?
>>>> With the old math production system in Iceland they wrote whatever
>>>> letter or symbol created the necessary dot pattern. Say the sum symbol
>>>> was dots 1246, which happens to be the Ielandic letter thorn "þ", so
>>>> they simply used that character. Since the book would be embossed and
>>>> handed to the student it didn't matter what the math looked like to a
>>>> sighted computer user, who would never use that file.
>>>> In the .brf file, do the dots show up on the screen, do the
>>>> corresponding math symbols show up (too good to be true) or just
>>>> gibberish?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Birkir
>>>> p.s. Sina, do you still live in Cary? Shoot me an email off-list so we
>>>> can plan to have lunch some time.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/22/10, Sina Bahram <sbahram at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> It's a .brf file. I think since you mentioned you were a Braille reader
>>>>> earlier, it was assumed you might have a Braille display.
>>>>>
>>>>> A .brf file is simply a text file which has had the characters in
>>>> it written
>>>>> in such a way, that when sent to a Braille display, in
>>>>> grade 1 with no translation, it appears correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, just use notepad, wordpad, or whatever, and then
>>>> simply use
>>>>> any kind of program like Jaws or others that communicate
>>>>> with a Braille display.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Sina
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:14 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>>>>>
>>>>> What program do I need to use to open the file?
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>>>> Undergraduate Student
>>>>> The University Honors Program
>>>>> East Carolina University
>>>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
>>>>> without accepting it."    -Aristotle
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> on behalf
>>>>> of Sean Tikkun [jaquis at mac.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:24 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>>>>>
>>>>> How do these look to people?  Please share or critique, I'd like to
>>>> post
>>>>> these on the web somewhere more widely available.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://web.me.com/jaquis/Through_Seans_Eyes/TVI_solutions/Entries/2010/9/22_Braille_AP_Statistics.html
>>>>>
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