[Blindmath] Stat Formulas
Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson
birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com
Fri Sep 24 15:11:30 UTC 2010
Thanks people for al the information on this list. :)
I am hoping to be able to achieve this goal by doing a lot of planning
and some paperwork and applying for funding.
This is just a very complex field so I am trying to understand all the
aspects, all the choices and then I can put together the arguments
needed to apply for funding for a software development project that
would address this.
We have all the pieces.
But, enough of that for now :) I need to do some work first but I'll
definitely appreciate any input and ideas, and will post asking about
them when I am ready, hopefully in January of 2011.
On 9/24/10, cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us <cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us> wrote:
> I have a much harder time using the six keys to produce the braille on a key
> board then I did learning the entire keyboard and the braille sign each
> produced. I'm just weird like that. It seemed too close for my fingers to
> use the six keys.
>
> As for your question on getting a program that would accept Nemeth and
> display the correct math symbol is the eutopia of this entire list serve.
> Hopefully one day a vision student could imput their Nemeth and a
> teacher/professor could read everything correctly and vice-versa.
>
> Constanza S. Baker
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010 3:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>
>
>> Excellent, thanks guys. It is all a bit clearer to me.
>> Out of curiosity (and may be I should put this in an entirely
>> separate topic).
>> Has anyone contemplated the possible usefullness of an 8-dot braille
>> math code and simulated Perkins keyboard?
>> Does anyone have an 8-dot braille keyboard simulator?
>> Is there any program that would accept Nemith braille as input and
>> display the actual mathematic symbols on the screen (not braille or
>> the literary equivalent)?
>> Thanks
>> -Birkir
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/10, Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com> wrote:
>> > Constanza summed it up with one exception, the production. Most
>> braille
>> > programs have a simulated braille keyboard for entry. so the
>> letters F, D,
>> > S and J, K, L are your 6 keys for entering braille. That way you
>> don't need
>> > to know the literary equivalent, even though many people when learning
>> > Nemeth learn it in reference to literary symbols. Depending on the
>> program
>> > the quality of nemeth translation will show the equivalent in print
>> and/or
>> > braille.
>> >
>> > On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:53 AM, cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us wrote:
>> >
>> >> Regarding .brf files that I have produced for the student I work
>> with (or
>> >> have let them create) the symbols on the screen look like simulated
>> >> braille or in some cases they are ASCII code, or as we say where I
>> work,
>> >> computer braille.
>> >>
>> >> Simulated braille looks like braille only it shows all the dots.
>> The dots
>> >> within a cell that would be read are bolder, or more pronounced,
>> then the
>> >> other dots that you would not read, (the ones you don't remind me
>> of weak
>> >> dots).
>> >>
>> >> ASCII or computer braille is the symbols used on the keyboard to
>> produce
>> >> the desired braille sign. For example, to produce the braille sign
>> to
>> >> indicate greater than or equal to you would use the keyboard keys
>> shift
>> >> and quote, then the letter key k, then the shift and semi-colon key.
>> >>
>> >> On the computer screen you would either see dot 5, dots 4-6, dots
>> 1-5-6 or
>> >> you would see quotation, k, colon, depending on how you have your
>> program
>> >> set or how it's default settings are set.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps and didn't further confuse you.
>> >>
>> >> Constanza S. Baker
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Birkir Rúnar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:29 am
>> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a question regarding .brf files. I have never actually used
>> >>> them (I either got my math brailled for me or invented my own LaTeX
>> >>> style system to write on on my computer, only a few months ago
>> did I
>> >>> get my own embosser, and it is so loud I can hardly use it in an
>> >>> apartment building).
>> >>> What do these symbols look like on the screen?
>> >>> With the old math production system in Iceland they wrote whatever
>> >>> letter or symbol created the necessary dot pattern. Say the sum
>> symbol
>> >>> was dots 1246, which happens to be the Ielandic letter thorn "þ",
>> so
>> >>> they simply used that character. Since the book would be embossed
>> and
>> >>> handed to the student it didn't matter what the math looked like
>> to a
>> >>> sighted computer user, who would never use that file.
>> >>> In the .brf file, do the dots show up on the screen, do the
>> >>> corresponding math symbols show up (too good to be true) or just
>> >>> gibberish?
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> -Birkir
>> >>> p.s. Sina, do you still live in Cary? Shoot me an email off-list
>> so we
>> >>> can plan to have lunch some time.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/22/10, Sina Bahram <sbahram at nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>>> It's a .brf file. I think since you mentioned you were a Braille
>> reader
>> >>>> earlier, it was assumed you might have a Braille display.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A .brf file is simply a text file which has had the characters in
>> >>> it written
>> >>>> in such a way, that when sent to a Braille display, in
>> >>>> grade 1 with no translation, it appears correct.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In other words, just use notepad, wordpad, or whatever, and then
>> >>> simply use
>> >>>> any kind of program like Jaws or others that communicate
>> >>>> with a Braille display.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Take care,
>> >>>> Sina
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>>> Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:14 PM
>> >>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What program do I need to use to open the file?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>> >>>> Undergraduate Student
>> >>>> The University Honors Program
>> >>>> East Carolina University
>> >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a
>> thought
>> >>>> without accepting it." -Aristotle
>> >>>> ________________________________________
>> >>>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> >>> on behalf
>> >>>> of Sean Tikkun [jaquis at mac.com]
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:24 PM
>> >>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Stat Formulas
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How do these look to people? Please share or critique, I'd like
>> to
>> >>> post
>> >>>> these on the web somewhere more widely available.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://web.me.com/jaquis/Through_Seans_Eyes/TVI_solutions/Entries/2010/9/22_Braille_AP_Statistics.html
>> >>>>
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