[Blindmath] mathplayer, jaws, and math in graphics?

Roopakshi Pathania r_akshi_tgk at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 4 17:32:56 UTC 2011 

Hi Kevin,

Most of your questions have been answered. I'm suppose to compile a list of sites with MathML content for access2science.com, so watch the space for that.

I'll point you to a site with MathML and a site with LaTeX alt tags. 
Solving quadratic equations by completing the square (MathML):
http://cnx.org/content/m18217/latest/

Solving quadratic equations (LaTeX alt tags):
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Mathematics/OCR/C1/Equations

A couple of more points.
1. InftyReader is my favorite application in the STEM field because it can convert most of the PDFs that I get from publishers or buy them electronically into a format that I prefer.
2. NVDA developers are well aware of the situation with MathML, but currently they have a lot on their hands and this is not a high priority task for them.


--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] mathplayer, jaws, and math in graphics?
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 1:44 AM
> Hi Roopakshi,
> 
> No, I've not checked out MathPlayer and sounds like I
> really need to.
> I wonder how well does it work with Internet Explorer 9 and
> JAWS 12.
> Are you aware of websites, that have MathML?
> 
> Are  there recommended tools to convert LaTeX to
> MathML?
> 
> >From research I've done, it does sound like LaTeX
> is  easier to write
> and faster to read.
> 
> Are there recommended LaTeX editor? Some have suggested
> using Notepad.
> 
> Can you discuss the LaTeX structuring versus math
> expressions? If not,
> please point me to an article, which goes into detail.
> 
> So, MathType is a converter?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 4/3/11, Roopakshi Pathania <r_akshi_tgk at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > Yes, I like the fact that you narrowed your focus.
> > You have got most of it right.
> > Here are a few more points to consider.
> >
> > 1. MathML is much simpler to read with a screen
> reader; you do not need any
> > prior training to understand MathML rendered with the
> help of MathPlayer.
> > Have you installed and tested MathPlayer with a web
> page?
> > 2. You can create MathML without learning how to write
> its code. LaTeX and
> > even ASCII text can be converted to MathML.
> > 3. LaTeX is both easier to write and faster to read,
> but involves a steep
> > learning curve.
> > 4. If you do not intend to do a lot of math in the
> future, you can even skip
> > learning the structuring part of LaTeX and concentrate
> only on math
> > expressions represented through LaTeX.
> > 5. You can submit assignments by typing math
> expressions in LaTeX directly
> > into your Word document and then converting them into
> regular looking math
> > by using MathType.
> >
> > Regards
> > --- On Sun, 4/3/11, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] mathplayer, jaws, and
> math in graphics?
> >> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics"
> >> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 6:18 AM
> >> I've been researching this area a lot
> >> to figure out what's going to
> >> work the best in  math or science courses.
> >>
> >> It looks like based on activity here,
> >> www.Access2Science.com and
> >> others; MathML and LaTeX
> >> the two formats for this area.
> >>
> >> MathML looks like it's  more for authoring
> and
> >> presenting content,
> >> which requires specific browsers, plug-ins, and
> screen
> >> readers.
> >> There's a lot of syntax and tagging that's
> involved, which
> >> very much
> >> looks like HTML.
> >>
> >> LaTeX seems to be what publishers and users use to
> produce
> >> and consume
> >> and is a much friendly format to work with. It
> seems
> >> that LaTeX has
> >> been around for much longer and is a better area
> to place
> >> more time
> >> and energy on.
> >>
> >> Am I completely off base with MathML and LaTeX?
> >>
> >> Please clarify of what's best to use when working
> with math
> >> and
> >> science college courses.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> On 4/2/11, Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > That will be quite helpful, thanks!
> >> >
> >> > On 4/2/11, John Gardner <john.gardner at orst.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> If you want to learn math Latex, there is
> a good
> >> tutorial and a basically
> >> >> complete set of Latex math tables linked
> from
> >> >> http://www.access2science.com
> >> >> John
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> >> On
> >> >> Behalf Of PR Stanley
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 3:57 PM
> >> >> To: Blind Math list for those interested
> in
> >> mathematics
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] mathplayer,
> jaws, and
> >> math in graphics?
> >> >>
> >> >> The Latex source on wikibook and
> wikipedia is an
> >> absolute godsend.
> >> >> it really isn't that hard to learn Latex.
> If
> >> anyone need to learn it
> >> >> for a college/university course, please
> don't
> >> hesitate to get in
> >> >> touch with me offlist.
> >> >> Paul
> >> >>
> >> >> At 23:31 02/04/2011, you wrote:
> >> >>>I have run into this on many sites,
> including
> >> bitg ones like wikibooks
> >> >>>and wikipedia, so it would be no small
> thing
> >> for them to convert. It
> >> >>>is a shame that this will not work!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>On 4/2/11, Birkir R. Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> > Hi
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > MathPlayer can only render
> MathML (not
> >> LaTeX) at this time, and only
> >> >>> > into speech (not into braille).
> It will
> >> show refreshable braille on
> >> >>> > the screen, but it will be the
> text
> >> string that it speaks, such as
> >> >>> > "Ay squared minus 3 x."
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > A LaTeX source will not help in
> this
> >> regard, and MathML is not very
> >> >>> > suitable for alt text.
> >> >>> > I believe there are Jaws scripts
> being
> >> developed that turn LaTeX
> >> >>> > source code into spoken math
> (Jose knows
> >> more on this and I can dig up
> >> >>> > all the info and send it to you
> >> off-list).
> >> >>> > That would probably be your best
> bet.
> >> >>> > The other option would be to
> encourage
> >> the page designers to use
> >> >>> > MathML to create the images, and
> you can
> >> use MathPlayer to play them.
> >> >>> > They can check out MathJax (http://www.mathjax.org) for a way to
> >> >>> > create good looking math based
> on MathML
> >> that works in every browser
> >> >>> > that support Javascript.
> >> >>> > None of the MathML solutions
> will get you
> >> Nemeth code, however, a Word
> >> >>> > document with the math in it can
> be
> >> translated to Nemeth and embossed
> >> >>> > via Duxbury DBT 11.1 or ViewPlus
> TSS.
> >> >>> > hth
> >> >>> > -Birkir
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On 4/2/11, PR Stanley <prstanley at ntlworld.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >> could you send us a sample?
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> At 22:49 02/04/2011, you
> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>Hi all,
> >> >>> >>>I am trying to read some
> math
> >> notation. As is increasingly common,
> >> >>> >>>this notation is in a
> graphic and
> >> has its alt tag set to what appears
> >> >>> >>>to be latex notation. I
> downloaded
> >> Math Player, but it does not even
> >> >>> >>>show up in the list of
> add-ons
> >> (this is ie8, and I did restart the
> >> >>> >>>browser). I just want to
> read math
> >> without all the backslashes,
> >> >>> >>>braces, and commands
> (vec, frac,
> >> and all those). As it stands, I
> >> >>> >>>usually have no idea what
> the
> >> image is trying to say, which, of
> >> >>> >>>course, does me no good
> at all. I
> >> am using jaws 12.
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>--
> >> >>> >>>Have a great day,
> >> >>> >>>Alex (msg sent from
> GMail
> >> website)
> >> >>> >>>mehgcap at gmail.com;
> >> http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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