[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 55, Issue 14

Vincent Martin vmartin at mindspring.com
Tue Feb 22 19:16:22 CST 2011


I will be presenting at CSUN as well and would love to meet for lunch.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: What does "support braille math in a screenreader" mean
      technically? (Michael Whapples)
   2. Re: Computer-supported math access (Michael Whapples)
   3. Re: Computer-supported math access (Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson)
   4. Re: Computer-supported math access (cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us)
   5. Re: CSUN (Rasmussen, Lloyd)
   6. Re: CSUN (Sina Bahram)
   7. Re: CSUN (Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson)
   8. Re: CSUN (Sina Bahram)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 20:48:49 +0000
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
To: qubit <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>,	Blind Math list for those interested
	in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] What does "support braille math in a
	screenreader" mean technically?
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I was careful to word it that I was not proposing a sound/speech option 
only, it was just an example where work has been done and came to mind 
very quickly. Other examples probably do exist and others could be created.

My main point is: When asking for better access to math content on a 
computer, why limit yourself to a format which is constrained by what 
can be done with paper?

Think of it this way, dotsplus realises that tactile writing need not be 
constrained to a Braille cell, computers need not be restricted to a 
static, linear form.

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, qubit wrote:
> Hi Mike --
> I want to remind those not directly affected, but many of the users of
> braille displays are deaf-blind and therefore can't hear sound.  For this
> reason I think that the goal needs to be something that could, at least
> optionally, be completely tactile.
> This doesn't mean no work should be directed toward representations in
> sound, just that a completely tactile system should always be an
> alternative.
> Just a thought.
> --le
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whapples"<mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] What does "support braille math in a
screenreader"
> mean technically?
>
>
> Hello,
> Susan, your first comment is something I have been thinking about for
> some time, Braille translation, particularly for maths, up to now has
> really not been perfected in quite a number of years of people working
> at it. Therefore, is the call simply for Braille support a "dead end",
> will it ever be perfected?
>
> There probably is a place for Braille, but I am more thinking of when
> using a screen reader where interaction with the computer is possible
> then might there be better, more interactive ways of accessing the
> maths? Also might more interactive ways of exploring the maths be a
> simpler problem to solve?
>
> While I haven't got a full idea together yet for what this more
> interactive reading would be, knowing how people process equations would
> be useful (any links), here are some thoughts which may help understand
> what I mean.
>
> MathPlayer, while being good in accessing the mathml, I think we can all
> agree really does not use the computer to its full to give the best user
> experience (some of the limitations are external to design science and
> there is nothing which they can do without help from other companies).
> One area where MathPlayer is weak, is easy navigation of the equation,
> currently you must wade through the words of what the equation is. There
> may be times where you don't need fine details of the equation but the
> general form of the equation. May be parts of the equation could be
> presented to the user in a more concise form (an example might be the
> systm shown in the presentation "Spoken Mathematics Using Prosody:
> Earcons and Spearcons" as presented at ICCHP 2010). May be certain
> elements (eg. fractions) could be container objects (like voiceover on
> the Mac handling tables, or NVDA's object navigation), so you can either
> skip over the fraction should it be of little interest at that time but
> should you need more detail then you could descend into the fraction to
> look at detail.
>
> Also by using a computer there might be a more natural way of
> communicating the mathematics (speech is one example) and so it probably
> will be relevant to more people, therefore it would have a higher value
> to the screen reader vendors, so having a greater chance of being
> implemented.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Susan Jolly wrote:
>> Despite the Nemeth code having been a US standard for something like
>> 40 years, there is no transcribing software that can currently convert
>> print math fully accurately to Nemeth.  (By print math I mean
>> electronic math represented as either LaTeX or presentation MathML.)
>> This problem persists despite there having been a significant amount
>> of work addressing this issue. The same is true for other math codes
>> but since I know more details about Nemeth I will stick mainly to that
>> code here. So it seems to me that it is more than a bit unlikely that
>> screenreader developers would have the resources to accomplish
>> something that many others have not succeeded at.
>>
>> I know there is currently a French project attempting to put support
>> for several math codes, including Nemeth, into OpenOffice.  I don't
>> know how that is progressing.
>>
>> Please remember that the Nemeth code is a complete code; it has rules
>> for both text and math.  The rules for text are quite similar to the
>> rules for EBAE (English Braille American Edition) but have minor
>> changes as necessary for compatibility with the representation of
>> math.  The reason this fact is significant to this discussion is that
>> it is my understanding that screenreaders or display drivers that
>> convert to braille text in real time use the EBAE rules for text, not
>> the Nemeth rules.
>>
>> Officially here in the US, materials transcribed according to the
>> Nemeth code must consistently follow all the rules of that code.
>> However, my guess is that many Nemeth readers would be quite happy if
>> the text portions of an HTML document were to be transcribed according
>> to EBAE while MathML islands were transcribed  according to the Nemeth
>> rules for math.  I just noticed that the latest version of DBT
>> (Duxbury's software) has something similar in that it allows for
>> Nemeth math to be used with various non-English choices for text.
>>
>> There are others on this list who understand the details of MathType
>> and of screenreaders so this next may be a bit simplistic.  But it
>> seems to me that the minimum you'd want is for a screenreader to
>> simply recognize MathML islands and to at least have the capability to
>> pass their contents through a user-supplied filter on the way to the
>> display.
>>
>> Finally let me point out that there are some serious formatting issues
>> to be addressed when targetting braille math to a braille display. I'm
>> referring to both simple issues such as where to break a line and more
>> complex issues involving planar layouts.
>>
>> I'm hoping for feedback here.
>>
>> SusanJ
>>
>>
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:02:22 +0000
From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computer-supported math access
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Thanks for all those links. Yes I was aware of some of the research, 
however sadly much of it doesn't seem to have made it into a nice 
intergrated access solution. Another thing that sometimes gets me 
irratated about this is that a sighted person buys there computer and is 
able to read maths on the web (eg. firefox includes mathml support, or 
mathplayer adds the support to IE), whereas I have to obtain an 
additional piece of software to access the computer (many of which are 
very expensive, costing more than some computers) and yet that software 
doesn't allow me to read maths. Why haven't they picked up on any of 
this research which has already been done?

Michael Whapples
On -10/01/37 20:59, Susan Jolly wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> There's actually been a lot of work on using the computer to support 
> math access.  I'd say this has been going on for at least 15 years. 
> Unfortunately, most of it doesn't seem to have made it out of academia.
>
> There is a good overview in the paper "Mathematics and Accessibility.: 
> There is a link to a PDF version partway down this page.  I hope the 
> paper is accessible!
> http://www.utdallas.edu/~gupta/
>
> Dominique Archambault in France has also done a lot of work in this area.
> Scroll down past the French to the sentence starting "The need for 
> accessibility is growing...." to read about some of his recent work.
> http://chezdom.net/blog/?p=83#more-83
>
> The topic you mention is addressed off and on at various conferences 
> including CSUN, ICCHP, and  ACM SIGACCESS ASSETS.
>
> Hopefully some of the people directly involved in this research will 
> respond.
>
> Susan
>
>
>




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:21:29 +0000
From: Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computer-supported math access
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We should include that in the eventual text of the petition (I have no
time frame yet, I am hoping a week or so until something can be put
together, but I should know more in a few days).
Something along the lines of "There is a lot of research that already
has been done in the area of braille and tactile mathematics, yet none
of this information seems to have found its way into any of the screen
reader products". "We urge you to consider improving math
accessibility via braille and speech and leverage existing research
and resources".
We could easily include a lot of this info as well, but I do not want
to point them too much in a particular direction to begin with, more
press the issue and see if anyone reacts to it.
I am not sure why NVDA does not support MathPlayer for instance,
perhaps they need user requests to do so. Combining MathPlayer with
the LiblouisXML libraries it appears a MathML to refreshable Nemeth
braille solution could be created for very little cost, a solution
that could be improved over time and one that puts NVDA way ahead of
the mainstream screen readers, John Boyer already indicated as much.
With the financial trouble NVDA is in I am not sure what, if any,
priorities they have going forward though.
But I do not want to single anyone out, NVDA just came to mind as mr
Boyer already talked about the Nemeth abilities of LiblouisXML which
NVDA uses (and i believe it supports other math braille codes as
well).


On 2/21/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all those links. Yes I was aware of some of the research,
> however sadly much of it doesn't seem to have made it into a nice
> intergrated access solution. Another thing that sometimes gets me
> irratated about this is that a sighted person buys there computer and is
> able to read maths on the web (eg. firefox includes mathml support, or
> mathplayer adds the support to IE), whereas I have to obtain an
> additional piece of software to access the computer (many of which are
> very expensive, costing more than some computers) and yet that software
> doesn't allow me to read maths. Why haven't they picked up on any of
> this research which has already been done?
>
> Michael Whapples
> On -10/01/37 20:59, Susan Jolly wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> There's actually been a lot of work on using the computer to support
>> math access.  I'd say this has been going on for at least 15 years.
>> Unfortunately, most of it doesn't seem to have made it out of academia.
>>
>> There is a good overview in the paper "Mathematics and Accessibility.:
>> There is a link to a PDF version partway down this page.  I hope the
>> paper is accessible!
>> http://www.utdallas.edu/~gupta/
>>
>> Dominique Archambault in France has also done a lot of work in this area.
>> Scroll down past the French to the sentence starting "The need for
>> accessibility is growing...." to read about some of his recent work.
>> http://chezdom.net/blog/?p=83#more-83
>>
>> The topic you mention is addressed off and on at various conferences
>> including CSUN, ICCHP, and  ACM SIGACCESS ASSETS.
>>
>> Hopefully some of the people directly involved in this research will
>> respond.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:42:45 -0500
From: cnsbaker at access.k12.wv.us
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computer-supported math access
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It will take continued pressure for that change to happen.
Don't give up, it is worth the fight. 
This is a step in the right direction. 
Make the colleges and schools accountable and they will help pressure the
companies.

The NFB brought charges against Penn State for inaccessible sites.

http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?ID=702&MODE=VIEW

I hope the link works, if not you can search on the main page, inaccessible
sites, it is the second option. 

Connie


----- Original Message -----
From: Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Computer-supported math access
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>


> We should include that in the eventual text of the petition (I have no
>  time frame yet, I am hoping a week or so until something can be put
>  together, but I should know more in a few days).
>  Something along the lines of "There is a lot of research that already
>  has been done in the area of braille and tactile mathematics, yet none
>  of this information seems to have found its way into any of the screen
>  reader products". "We urge you to consider improving math
>  accessibility via braille and speech and leverage existing research
>  and resources".
>  We could easily include a lot of this info as well, but I do not want
>  to point them too much in a particular direction to begin with, more
>  press the issue and see if anyone reacts to it.
>  I am not sure why NVDA does not support MathPlayer for instance,
>  perhaps they need user requests to do so. Combining MathPlayer with
>  the LiblouisXML libraries it appears a MathML to refreshable Nemeth
>  braille solution could be created for very little cost, a solution
>  that could be improved over time and one that puts NVDA way ahead of
>  the mainstream screen readers, John Boyer already indicated as much.
>  With the financial trouble NVDA is in I am not sure what, if any,
>  priorities they have going forward though.
>  But I do not want to single anyone out, NVDA just came to mind as mr
>  Boyer already talked about the Nemeth abilities of LiblouisXML which
>  NVDA uses (and i believe it supports other math braille codes as
>  well).
>  
>  
>  On 2/21/11, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com> wrote:
>  > Thanks for all those links. Yes I was aware of some of the research,
>  > however sadly much of it doesn't seem to have made it into a nice
>  > intergrated access solution. Another thing that sometimes gets me
>  > irratated about this is that a sighted person buys there computer 
> and is
>  > able to read maths on the web (eg. firefox includes mathml support, 
> or
>  > mathplayer adds the support to IE), whereas I have to obtain an
>  > additional piece of software to access the computer (many of which 
> are
>  > very expensive, costing more than some computers) and yet that software
>  > doesn't allow me to read maths. Why haven't they picked up on any of
>  > this research which has already been done?
>  >
>  > Michael Whapples
>  > On -10/01/37 20:59, Susan Jolly wrote:
>  >> Hi Michael,
>  >>
>  >> There's actually been a lot of work on using the computer to support
>  >> math access.  I'd say this has been going on for at least 15 years.
>  >> Unfortunately, most of it doesn't seem to have made it out of
academia.
>  >>
>  >> There is a good overview in the paper "Mathematics and Accessibility.:
>  >> There is a link to a PDF version partway down this page.  I hope the
>  >> paper is accessible!
>  >> http://www.utdallas.edu/~gupta/
>  >>
>  >> Dominique Archambault in France has also done a lot of work in 
> this area.
>  >> Scroll down past the French to the sentence starting "The need for
>  >> accessibility is growing...." to read about some of his recent work.
>  >> http://chezdom.net/blog/?p=83#more-83
>  >>
>  >> The topic you mention is addressed off and on at various conferences
>  >> including CSUN, ICCHP, and  ACM SIGACCESS ASSETS.
>  >>
>  >> Hopefully some of the people directly involved in this research will
>  >> respond.
>  >>
>  >> Susan
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  >
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:06:00 -0500
From: "Rasmussen, Lloyd" <lras at loc.gov>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
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I'm getting there Tuesday night, March 15 and leaving very early Saturday,
March 19.  They are not doing papers on Saturday this year; exhibits only.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the Library of Congress, NLS.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth

CSUN will be held in San Diego, March 16th through 18th (pre conference work
shops on the 14th and 15th).
I will only be there from late on the 15th until Sat the 19th (I actually
think there are some lectures beind held on the 19th as well, but very few
people tend to attend Saturday morning lectures).


On 2/21/11, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
> Where and what dates is this year's CSUN?
> I remember Deane Blazie from many years ago.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] =
On
> Behalf Of Birkir R=FAnar Gunnarsson
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>
> I believe that Dean Blazie is going to give a talk on new approaches 
> to braille manufacturing at CSUN in March, not clear on whether it is 
> just for a low priced braille PDA or a more general discussion about 
> reinventing braille production.
> Either way, I will try to attend (I will be at CSUN myself)and report 
> back on hardware progress.
> When I talked to John Gardner from ViewPlus last summer in Vienna, he 
> was extremely skeptical of multi line displays enterring the market at 
> anything below tens of thousands of dollars.
> We, of course, all hope he is wrong about this, including himself I am 
> sure, but I suspect someone that is that much into braille technology 
> probably has a pretty good idea.
>...




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:17:41 -0500
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram at nc.rr.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
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Ditto

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:06 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN

I'm getting there Tuesday night, March 15 and leaving very early Saturday,
March 19.  They are not doing papers on Saturday this
year; exhibits only.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the Library of Congress, NLS.



-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth

CSUN will be held in San Diego, March 16th through 18th (pre conference work
shops on the 14th and 15th).
I will only be there from late on the 15th until Sat the 19th (I actually
think there are some lectures beind held on the 19th as
well, but very few people tend to attend Saturday morning lectures).


On 2/21/11, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
> Where and what dates is this year's CSUN?
> I remember Deane Blazie from many years ago.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] =
On
> Behalf Of Birkir R=FAnar Gunnarsson
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>
> I believe that Dean Blazie is going to give a talk on new approaches 
> to braille manufacturing at CSUN in March, not clear on whether it is 
> just for a low priced braille PDA or a more general discussion about 
> reinventing braille production.
> Either way, I will try to attend (I will be at CSUN myself)and report 
> back on hardware progress.
> When I talked to John Gardner from ViewPlus last summer in Vienna, he 
> was extremely skeptical of multi line displays enterring the market at 
> anything below tens of thousands of dollars.
> We, of course, all hope he is wrong about this, including himself I am 
> sure, but I suspect someone that is that much into braille technology 
> probably has a pretty good idea.
>...


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:41:08 +0000
From: Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson <birkir.gunnarsson at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
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For those attending CSUN, should we have a meet up, say for lunch on
Friday March 18th?
I have my presentation at 4pm so we could have lunch and then I could
do last minute prep or work on other things.
(my presentation is on tests to compare screen reader functionality
cross-platform, some research I did in the fall).
Sina, I will shoot you an email (or you can email me), would be fun to
meet up before then, seeing as we live 3 or 4 miles apart (I live in
Brier Creek, close to the airport).
Lloyd, it would be a pleasure to meet you.
Thanks
-Birkir

On 2/22/11, Sina Bahram <sbahram at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Ditto
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:06 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
>
> I'm getting there Tuesday night, March 15 and leaving very early Saturday,
> March 19.  They are not doing papers on Saturday this
> year; exhibits only.
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
> National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
> Library of Congress   202-707-0535
> http://www.loc.gov/nls
> The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> the Library of Congress, NLS.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>
> CSUN will be held in San Diego, March 16th through 18th (pre conference
work
> shops on the 14th and 15th).
> I will only be there from late on the 15th until Sat the 19th (I actually
> think there are some lectures beind held on the 19th as
> well, but very few people tend to attend Saturday morning lectures).
>
>
> On 2/21/11, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>> Where and what dates is this year's CSUN?
>> I remember Deane Blazie from many years ago.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] =
> On
>> Behalf Of Birkir R=FAnar Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:12 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>>
>> I believe that Dean Blazie is going to give a talk on new approaches
>> to braille manufacturing at CSUN in March, not clear on whether it is
>> just for a low priced braille PDA or a more general discussion about
>> reinventing braille production.
>> Either way, I will try to attend (I will be at CSUN myself)and report
>> back on hardware progress.
>> When I talked to John Gardner from ViewPlus last summer in Vienna, he
>> was extremely skeptical of multi line displays enterring the market at
>> anything below tens of thousands of dollars.
>> We, of course, all hope he is wrong about this, including himself I am
>> sure, but I suspect someone that is that much into braille technology
>> probably has a pretty good idea.
>>...
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:30:32 -0500
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram at nc.rr.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
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Haha, we have to fly a few thousand miles to meet though, just so I can say
that we had to do that, *grin*.

And sure guys, lunch sounds awesome.

Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:41 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN

For those attending CSUN, should we have a meet up, say for lunch on
Friday March 18th?
I have my presentation at 4pm so we could have lunch and then I could
do last minute prep or work on other things.
(my presentation is on tests to compare screen reader functionality
cross-platform, some research I did in the fall).
Sina, I will shoot you an email (or you can email me), would be fun to
meet up before then, seeing as we live 3 or 4 miles apart (I live in
Brier Creek, close to the airport).
Lloyd, it would be a pleasure to meet you.
Thanks
-Birkir

On 2/22/11, Sina Bahram <sbahram at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Ditto
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:06 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] CSUN
>
> I'm getting there Tuesday night, March 15 and leaving very early Saturday,
> March 19.  They are not doing papers on Saturday this
> year; exhibits only.
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
> National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
> Library of Congress   202-707-0535
> http://www.loc.gov/nls
> The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
> the Library of Congress, NLS.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On
> Behalf Of Birkir R?nar Gunnarsson
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>
> CSUN will be held in San Diego, March 16th through 18th (pre conference
work
> shops on the 14th and 15th).
> I will only be there from late on the 15th until Sat the 19th (I actually
> think there are some lectures beind held on the 19th as
> well, but very few people tend to attend Saturday morning lectures).
>
>
> On 2/21/11, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> wrote:
>> Where and what dates is this year's CSUN?
>> I remember Deane Blazie from many years ago.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] =
> On
>> Behalf Of Birkir R=FAnar Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:12 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] RFB pricing was RE: LaTeX and Nemeth
>>
>> I believe that Dean Blazie is going to give a talk on new approaches
>> to braille manufacturing at CSUN in March, not clear on whether it is
>> just for a low priced braille PDA or a more general discussion about
>> reinventing braille production.
>> Either way, I will try to attend (I will be at CSUN myself)and report
>> back on hardware progress.
>> When I talked to John Gardner from ViewPlus last summer in Vienna, he
>> was extremely skeptical of multi line displays enterring the market at
>> anything below tens of thousands of dollars.
>> We, of course, all hope he is wrong about this, including himself I am
>> sure, but I suspect someone that is that much into braille technology
>> probably has a pretty good idea.
>>...
>
>
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