[Blindmath] jaws and spss

[Philip So]

Hi Vincent, if you could write a script that could make almost
anything on SPSS talk that would be fantastic! I am willing to pay you
for your effort, if it is within my budget. Right now on SPSS 15 I can
hear menu bar, dialog box and syntax editor. However, I cannot hear
variable view, data view or output screen directly. Since I am a heavy
daily SPSS user, it is important for me to have it fully accessible.
Look forward to hearing back from you.
Thanks.
Phil


On 11/29/11, Vincent Martin <vmartin at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Stick with version 15!
> The problem is on IBM's end.  This is an ongoing problem and there are
> people working on a solution right now.  I can write a script to make almost
> anything talk, if it writes to the display correctly.  SPSs does not do
> that!
>
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>    1. Re: to read laTex (Andrew Stacey)
>    2. Re: to read laTex (Michael Whapples)
>    3. Re: to read laTex (Pranav Lal)
>    4. Re: to read laTex (Susan Jolly)
>    5. Re: to read laTex (Amanda Lacy)
>    6. Re: to read laTex (Michael Whapples)
>    7. SPSS 19 and JAWS (Philip So)
>    8. Re: SPSS 19 and JAWS (Ian Perrault)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:17:42 +0100
> From: Andrew Stacey <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
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> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 05:27:53PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>> I possibly would say that it would be wrong for MathType to simplify the
>> equations more. My reasoning is that the LaTeX mode of MathType is also
> for
>> input and removing some of those braces could actually lead to a different
>> visual appearance of the equation.
>>
>> Its this reason of what happens when the equation is recompiled that I say
>> LaTeX is really a good authoring system but not a reading system IE. what
>> gives good output visually when compiled is not necessarily good for
> reading
>> and vice versa.
>
> As an example, the code "x {=} y" and "x = y" display differently when
> compiled to PDF but I would imagine that for reading the mathematics then
> the
> difference is pretty minimal.
>
> (Quoted originally from Ben)
>
>> > I have in fact written such a Perl script to do this for Mathtype to
> Latex
>> > conversions produced by my own Math professor.  But the pattern matching
>> > gets pretty difficult when extraneous curly braces are inserted here and
>> > there.  One almost needs a gramatical parser to simplify the expressions
>> > and THEN do a translation.
>
> I've written a few scripts and the like for manipulating TeX documents.  My
> first ones were largely pattern based but I eventually realised that this
> didn't work and I ended up writing an implementation of TeX's "mouth" and
> "stomach" in Perl.  Even that wasn't great, so I took literally the
> statement
> that "the only thing that understands TeX is tex itself" and wrote a class
> that converts a LaTeX document to some other format.  As it works in tex
> itself then it can understand true LaTeX syntax, including all those
> horrendous braces.  I've not mentioned it before on this list because I
> don't
> know what output format would be appropriate for the readers here, and it is
> very much in alpha/beta (though I use it for writing all my documents that
> end
> up on webpages now so it's definitely usable).  I only mention it now
> because
> of the above about Perl scripts and so I want to save anyone the pain I went
> through on that route!  Anyone interested or intrigued is welcome to contact
> me off-list.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:44:37 +0000
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no,	Blind Math list for those interested
> 	in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
> Message-ID: <B6A762F9-A622-49B8-94DD-0C607665AD7D at aim.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Yes your example is sort of what I was getting at (well at least on a small
> scale). The impact on reading comes when you start scaling that up, I have
> had equations which start like {{\frac{{x{? and you can imagine how tracking
> where you are and what the meaning of any closing brace is can be quite
> difficult.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 28 Nov 2011, at 19:17, Andrew Stacey wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 05:27:53PM +0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>>> I possibly would say that it would be wrong for MathType to simplify the
>>> equations more. My reasoning is that the LaTeX mode of MathType is also
> for
>>> input and removing some of those braces could actually lead to a
> different
>>> visual appearance of the equation.
>>>
>>> Its this reason of what happens when the equation is recompiled that I
> say
>>> LaTeX is really a good authoring system but not a reading system IE. what
>>> gives good output visually when compiled is not necessarily good for
> reading
>>> and vice versa.
>>
>> As an example, the code "x {=} y" and "x = y" display differently when
>> compiled to PDF but I would imagine that for reading the mathematics then
> the
>> difference is pretty minimal.
>>
>> (Quoted originally from Ben)
>>
>>>> I have in fact written such a Perl script to do this for Mathtype to
> Latex
>>>> conversions produced by my own Math professor.  But the pattern matching
>>>> gets pretty difficult when extraneous curly braces are inserted here and
>>>> there.  One almost needs a gramatical parser to simplify the expressions
>>>> and THEN do a translation.
>>
>> I've written a few scripts and the like for manipulating TeX documents.
> My
>> first ones were largely pattern based but I eventually realised that this
>> didn't work and I ended up writing an implementation of TeX's "mouth" and
>> "stomach" in Perl.  Even that wasn't great, so I took literally the
> statement
>> that "the only thing that understands TeX is tex itself" and wrote a class
>> that converts a LaTeX document to some other format.  As it works in tex
>> itself then it can understand true LaTeX syntax, including all those
>> horrendous braces.  I've not mentioned it before on this list because I
> don't
>> know what output format would be appropriate for the readers here, and it
> is
>> very much in alpha/beta (though I use it for writing all my documents that
> end
>> up on webpages now so it's definitely usable).  I only mention it now
> because
>> of the above about Perl scripts and so I want to save anyone the pain I
> went
>> through on that route!  Anyone interested or intrigued is welcome to
> contact
>> me off-list.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:24 +0530
> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
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> Hi MAYANK,
>
> Grab edSharp from http://www.empowermentzone.com/edsetup.exe  and see its
> laTex mode.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:02:07 -1000
> From: Susan Jolly <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
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> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:07:53 -0600
> From: "Amanda Lacy" <lacy925 at gmail.com>
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> What?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:55:21 +0000
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
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> On 29 Nov 2011, at 01:07, Amanda Lacy wrote:
>
>> What?
> I think a case of the wonderful iPad not including the content of the email.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Jolly" <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] to read laTex
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:54:59 -0500
> From: Philip So <philipso101 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Blindmath] SPSS 19 and JAWS
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> Hi group,
>
> I want to document everyone's experience with SPSS used with JAWS.  Is
> anyone here able to make SPSS fully accessible?  I use SPSS 15 with
> JAWS 11 and it's only partially accessible. Now I'm about to get SPSS
> 19/SPSS 20 but want to know how accessible it is before making the
> switch. Please share your experience and tell us which version of
> SPSS, which version of JAWS, which version of Windows you have and how
> accessible it is for you.
>
> Hopefully this information will also help everyone.Thanks!!
>
> Phil
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:10:31 -0500
> From: "Ian Perrault" <iperrault at hotmail.com>
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>
>     I wouldn't make the switch. Unfortunately, SPSS 19 is completely
> inaccessible with JAWS 13, Windows 7, and a 64-bit operating system. Since
> IBM now runs SPSS, I called them and we spent almost this whole semester
> trying to get it to work, and a bunch of prior posts on this list also said
> that it simply doesn't work. I also e-mailed Freedom Scientific and asked
> them to get JAWS scripts for all future versions of JAWS and SPSS, since
> this program is more and more common for students. So hopefully soon Freedom
>
> Scientific and IBM will work together and make it accessible.
>
>
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