[Blindmath] SVG Draw

Fri Oct 7 15:33:28 UTC 2011

Michael, shame on you.  I thought you understood IVEO, but you could also
read more carefully.  The issue is licensing.  IVEO Viewer provides audio
access for ViewPlus-licensed files - ie those made with Creator, Creator
Pro, or other aps with ViewPlus licenses.n  I am offering to make SVG Draw
such a ViewPlus-licensed application to be given free to blind users.
What's the problem?

Presently IVEO applications all utilize standard SVG 1.0.  The new IVEO 3
version will incorporate new features that are already on the docket for
inclusion in SVG 2.0.  For the time being of course, IVEO 3 can indeed
include features beyond SVG 1.0.  

Finally I believe that the IVEO ip protection scheme is much more
user-friendly than locking to hardware.  Locking to hardware is more like
extortion than ip protection.  In fact IVEO supports any external pointing
devices that emulate the mouse.  Admittedly the most convenient device is
the IVEO touchpad, which now uses its own interface that avoids some of the
inconveniences of mouse emulation.  You can also print to regular printers
to make swell paper tactiles instead of using a ViewPlus embosser.  

John

John

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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:40 AM
To: john.gardner at orst.edu; Blind Math list for those interested in
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] SVG Draw

Hello John,
Your first comment/question is something which gets me a bit. So only IVEO
creator or creator pro can produce files with speakable titles and
descriptions? I take it then that this is not using a standard part of SVG?
I know why that decision may have been made, however I possibly view it as a
limitation of the IVEO system rather than an enhancement (if SVG elements
can normally have a text title and description). A limitation as IVEO
doesn't work with standard SVG.
As I said I guess I know the reasons, you need something to make people buy
IVEO stuff. Might people be prepared to pay an affordable amount for a IVEO
viewer which works with standard SVG drawings? Should the IVEO creator tools
offer a more compelling reason to buy them (EG. live up to their name and be
the compelling tool for creating a drawing)? There is the other way to get
people to buy and that is through hardware lock in (IE. the software is so
tightly integrated with the hardware they have to buy your hardware for the
tool to be useful).

Michael whapples
On 6 Oct 2011, at 22:57, John Gardner wrote:

> Hello all, I have several questions and comments on SVG Draw.  One
question
> for list members is whether it would be useful to have full IVEO access to
> SVG files made with SVG Draw.  Presently, because of licensing
requirements,
> you must have IVEO Creator or IVEO Creator Pro to get audio access to the
> SVG title and description and the object titles and descriptions entered
> when creating an SVG drawing with SVG Draw.  If many of you would like to
> have it, I will request that the IVEO authoring license be added to SVG
Draw
> in a special version available only to blind users.  This will make these
> files IVEO-accessible in the free IVEO Viewer.  Don't know how the
> distribution would work, but tell me whether it would be useful enough to
> you for us to spend the effort to work out details.
> 
> Now a comment on color.  There is an undocumented feature in all ViewPlus
> printer drivers that permit one to substitute a tactile pattern of your
> design for a color.  I intend to write an article for Access2Science
> documenting use of this feature - which you can then use with SVG drawings
> created with SVG Draw.  
> 
> Finally I have a number of suggestions for Dick Baldwin on improvements to
> SVG Draw, primarily usability.  Let me be very clear that I think this is
a
> terrific application, already better than anything ever made for creating
> graphics by blind people.  But you asked for suggestions!
> * It is too wordy in my opinion.  You have a wonderful help file, and it
> really isn't necessary to be told every time that the coordinates are
inches
> multiplied by 100.  And there are 'ok' boxes that aren't really needed.
> When one clicks to get some action that can't be damaging, one doesn't
need
> to confirm that this is what one really wants.  It's good to have this for
> things like "do you really want to exit without saving this file?" etc.
> Interesting, one place that such a question is normally asked is when one
is
> saving over an existing file, and SVG Draw doesn't seem to do that.  But
> maybe I just missed it.
> *It would be really good if you could use the standard Windows (or Java
SWT)
> file open and save dialogues.  Anybody sophisticated enough to use SVG
Draw
> uses these routinely, and it is disconcerting not to have them.
> *Several read-only dialog boxes are less accessible then they could be.  I
> just reviewed the objects in a drawing.  First of all there seems to be an
> id that I didn't put on, and it doesn't help me to identify the object, so
I
> suggest that it be suppressed, so that only the object type (ie line,
> polyline) is shown along with coordinates.  Secondly this dialog is fairly
> long, and it cannot be reviewed easily.  One can use the mouse, or review
> mode in NVDA, but this is tedious.  It is possible to permit cursor
movement
> in read-only dialog boxes, at least in standard windows dialogs, because
> there are many such.  Can you do this for these logn dialogs?  If so,
screen
> readers will then be able to review the information letter by letter or
word
> by word, a great help for me anyhow.
> 
> Thanks all.  This is fun!
> 
> John Gardner
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