[Blindmath] Nemeth questions and results of Using the Perkins

[Sharon Clark]

Ben,

I'm afraid you have the wrong person about posting a web document.

As a teacher's stand point, when looking at mathematics especially for the
higher grades, I have not found a compreable solution to Nemeth code.  The
perkins will allow a student to read and write in Nemeth code while seeing
multiple lines at a time.  I know there are translation programs available
to translate Nemeth into readable text, but I have not found one that will
continue translating if one mistake is made. For most of my students who are
learning the Nemeth code, I choose to have them complete assignments on the
perkins and transcribe them by hand. This way I can go over Nemeth code
mistakes.  As juniors an seniors, I show them various programs available so
they understand what could be available for college.  Others may approach
things differently. 

Sharon 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:39 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth questions and results of Using the Perkins

Susan,

As I understood from a web document I believe you posted recently, Nemeth
and computer ASCII are pretty compatible.

Why wouldn't a braille display work with Nemeth?

Also, another thing I'm not clear on with the Nemeth is the strange
representation for =, (, ).  Why is it that those need to be coded as dot k
etc when they could be represented as their actual braille characters?

Finally, as long as greek letters are not used, what is the benefit of
Nemeth over computer ASCII?  All the normal expressions like a + b >= (c^2)
/ d (such as you might write in Javascript) seem easy enough to produce in
computer ASCII.
Please forgive my ignorance; I'm trying to figure this out at 40-something
without the benefit of a TVI or a 6-year-old's spongy brain.

Thank you

Ben

At 03:43 PM 2/8/2012, you wrote:
>It can, but the math will not appear in Nemeth code if this is what you 
>want.
>
>Sharon
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julian, Kate
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>
>I didn't know the bn can act as a display from the computer, that is 
>interesting.
>
>kj
>
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>[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:01 PM
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>Why not use the computer straight away, with the brailleNote as a display?
>This, of course, assumes the screen reader supports the bn.
>
>On 2/8/12, Julian, Kate <KJulian at bluevalleyk12.org> wrote:
> > OK, so picture this, my student is sitting next to me, his 
> > BrailleNote is in his lap as his calculator (he has agreed that he 
> > will use the computer's calculator instead), the computer monitor 
> > and keyboard in front of him so he can key in his work and answers. 
> > The Perkins is also on the desk along with the necessary paper. Then 
> > there is the braille version of the test, his brailled test answers, 
> > and now he is
>trying to make test corrections. YIKES!
> > We found that he did complete his algebra better using the Perkins 
> > and then transferring his answers to Word so we can read them. But 
> > this method is tedious. I am looking at LiveMath Maker and 
> > Scientific Notebook.  Thank you everybody for your suggestions!
> >
> > Have a great day - Kate
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