[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1

Sun Jun 3 00:38:52 UTC 2012

Casey, I quoted a bit of research in my speech to BANA in April that may
help you.  Dr Pogrund has done some relevant research.  Here is the
paragraph from my speech and the reference is .included:

Blind students also struggle with math frequently due to missing concepts
over the years that were likely presented visually.  The braille users
frequently do not know Nemeth code very well and sometimes have not been
taught braille early enough.  These problems are sometimes due to the wide
variation in TVI personnel preparation programs and state certification
requirements, resulting in TVI’s who may be unprepared to meet the needs of
their students according to research by Pogrund and Wibbenmeyer, (2008).
 I only have a print copy of the research but not with me this weekend
(it's at work).  It was printed in the JVIB magazine.  Dr. Pogrund is a
Texas Tech Professor in the VI program.

Sincerely,
Maylene Bird

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> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:51:19 +0100
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] problems reading PDF scientific documents
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> Hello,
> Further to that last message, one of the projects I am aware of which is
> working on the problem of accessing maths in PDF is maxtract and the
> blog for it can be found at
> http://researchblogs.cs.bham.ac.uk/math-access/category/maxtract/
>
> This is work in progress and I don't know when they plan to have
> something usable out.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 31/05/2012 10:36, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > On 31/05/2012 01:26, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
> >> Hey Jessica,
> >>
> >> If you are from Curitiba we are from the same city! :)
> >>
> >> I have got a lot of problems in this area too. Specially in Brazil
> >> where it seems that nobody understands about that to give us a hand.
> >>
> >>
> >> What my teachers have done during graduation was create the scientific
> >> documents already in LaTeX, and they offered the normal pdf to other
> >> students. The program that michael mentioned I have never used yet,
> >> but gonna check it out. I did not oppenned the website yet, but I am
> >> almost sure that it is more than 500 dolars... I hope that I am wrong!
> >>
> >> You can send me a mail too, we can keep in contact to finde solutions
> >> together here in Brazil.
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/5/30, Michael Whapples<mwhapples at aim.com>:
> >>> The infty reader www.inftyproject.org may help. I understand other
> >>> things
> >>> are being developed but this the only working solution for now.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Whapples
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPod
> >>>
> >>> On 30 May 2012, at 22:24, G?ssica Michelle dos Santos
> >>> Pereira<gessicamichelle at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am Gessica, from the south of Brazil, with visual impairment, having
> >>>> difficulties in reading PDF scientific documents, when they show
> >>>> formulae.. I use screen reader Jaws and I've heard that LaTeX or
> >>>> MathML might be useful but would you know how to convert the PDF
> >>>> documents into these formats? .....moreover...how to use them?  I
> >>>> wonder if you could help me find the solution.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Gessica Michelle
> >>>>
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> > Yes, unfortunately the infty reader software is expensive. It is worth
> > noting though that infty reader is OCR software for maths, so could
> > put printed maths from paper into an electronic format such as LaTeX
> > or MathML as well.
> >
> > Hopefully one of the other projects I know of will allow access to PDF
> > at a lower cost.
> >
> > In many cases the PDF is created from another format such as LaTeX so
> > it might be worth contacting the author to see if they can provide the
> > document in another format.
> >
> > Michael Whapples
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> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:38:46 -0500
> From: Casey West <caseywest94 at hotmail.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Help with facts needed
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> I am looking for any research that shows that blind and low vision
> students are not being taught Nemeth as they should be. In terms of time,
> quaility of instruction, or not being taught at all. Can anyone direct me
> in the direction of some research. I know Dr. Miniki (?) does a lot with
> math and blind students. Thanks for your help. You can either post on list
> or email me directly to caseywest94 at hotmail.com. I am trying to complete
> an advocacy plan so by Sunday would be great.
>  > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:51:19 +0100
> > From: mwhapples at aim.com
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] problems reading PDF scientific documents
> >
> > Hello,
> > Further to that last message, one of the projects I am aware of which is
> > working on the problem of accessing maths in PDF is maxtract and the
> > blog for it can be found at
> > http://researchblogs.cs.bham.ac.uk/math-access/category/maxtract/
> >
> > This is work in progress and I don't know when they plan to have
> > something usable out.
> >
> > Michael Whapples
> > On 31/05/2012 10:36, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > > On 31/05/2012 01:26, Lucas Radaelli wrote:
> > >> Hey Jessica,
> > >>
> > >> If you are from Curitiba we are from the same city! :)
> > >>
> > >> I have got a lot of problems in this area too. Specially in Brazil
> > >> where it seems that nobody understands about that to give us a hand.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> What my teachers have done during graduation was create the scientific
> > >> documents already in LaTeX, and they offered the normal pdf to other
> > >> students. The program that michael mentioned I have never used yet,
> > >> but gonna check it out. I did not oppenned the website yet, but I am
> > >> almost sure that it is more than 500 dolars... I hope that I am wrong!
> > >>
> > >> You can send me a mail too, we can keep in contact to finde solutions
> > >> together here in Brazil.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2012/5/30, Michael Whapples<mwhapples at aim.com>:
> > >>> The infty reader www.inftyproject.org may help. I understand other
> > >>> things
> > >>> are being developed but this the only working solution for now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael Whapples
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPod
> > >>>
> > >>> On 30 May 2012, at 22:24, G?ssica Michelle dos Santos
> > >>> Pereira<gessicamichelle at gmail.com>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am Gessica, from the south of Brazil, with visual impairment,
> having
> > >>>> difficulties in reading PDF scientific documents, when they show
> > >>>> formulae.. I use screen reader Jaws and I've heard that LaTeX or
> > >>>> MathML might be useful but would you know how to convert the PDF
> > >>>> documents into these formats? .....moreover...how to use them?  I
> > >>>> wonder if you could help me find the solution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Gessica Michelle
> > >>>>
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> > > Yes, unfortunately the infty reader software is expensive. It is worth
> > > noting though that infty reader is OCR software for maths, so could
> > > put printed maths from paper into an electronic format such as LaTeX
> > > or MathML as well.
> > >
> > > Hopefully one of the other projects I know of will allow access to PDF
> > > at a lower cost.
> > >
> > > In many cases the PDF is created from another format such as LaTeX so
> > > it might be worth contacting the author to see if they can provide the
> > > document in another format.
> > >
> > > Michael Whapples
> > >
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