[Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books

Mon Jun 18 18:08:10 UTC 2012

Our students use JAWS, an APEX and this coming fall some will be using an IPad with APH's Refreshabraille 18. We are pretty excited here!
Michelle 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books

Not a problem.  My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable Braille).
 What does your student use, out of curiosity?

Ryan

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:

> Hi Ryan,
> I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
> Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student used
> large print and the ebook worked well for him.
> The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
> Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
> Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful and
> well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
> I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
> experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
> Thanks for listening,
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details.  It's my
> job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
> issue.
>
> I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
> handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well?  What formatting
> are they using there, do you know?
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
> > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
> book
> > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
> > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if there
> > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost their
> > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price and
> > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
> else.
> > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
> that
> > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to get
> > in touch with them to get a price.
> > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed at
> > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
> I'm
> > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are on
> > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
> > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
> from
> > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
> > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
> > Michelle
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
> >
> > I just looked up some examples here.  It's pricey, no doubt, but the
> range
> > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k.  Still crazy, but not 50k
> crazy.
> >
> > See below...
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
> >
> > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
> here.
> >  I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
> > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
> part
> > of the school your son is attending.  Penn State just got nailed big time
> > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to say
> > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
> >
> > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up.  The work
> > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
> the
> > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it would
> be
> > for a sighted user.  Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't even
> > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
> >
> > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
> complete
> > my work.
> >
> >
> > Ryan.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed.  If you
> > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make any
> > textbook in Braille at that price, ever.  Of course that isn't the case,
> my
> > company outsources this regularly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is.  Go directly to the source, the
> book
> > publisher, and find out from them.  Then, correct whoever is claiming
> this
> > misinformation.
> > >
> > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
> > here?
> > >
> > > Ran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks?  Does
> that
> > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you?  Most of the time the
> > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text.  Perhaps the
> instructor
> > can
> > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
> those
> > >> portions transcribed?  As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
> >  That
> > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
> > >>
> > >> SM
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have
> > just
> > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
> in
> > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
> > quoted
> > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
> used
> > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
> > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
> > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
> > >>> James Stewart
> > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
> > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
> > >>> Chemistry
> > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
> > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
> > >>> Publisher:  Wiley University Physics
> > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
> > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
> > >>> Thank You - Tammy
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