[Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books

Mon Jun 18 18:20:05 UTC 2012

Well, don't hold your breath - it's still going to take me a little while
to get this executed and there are a lot of steps along the way.  Good to
know what you are currently using though.  Which version of the APEX are we
talking about here?  The longer, the better.  As you well know, equations
can be very long and creating an interactive system without much room to
work is pretty tough.

Another question - if they are using their refreshable Braille display for
math, what are they typically doing to navigate an equation? Insights on
this are very helpful.  I understand if it takes time to get back to me on
this.

On another note, I apologize if I have taken things off topic too much.  If
anyone would prefer this become a private conversation, please let me know
and I'll discuss the rest one-on-one.

Ryan

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:

> Our students use JAWS, an APEX and this coming fall some will be using an
> IPad with APH's Refreshabraille 18. We are pretty excited here!
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> Not a problem.  My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable Braille).
>  What does your student use, out of curiosity?
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ryan,
> > I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
> > Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student
> used
> > large print and the ebook worked well for him.
> > The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
> > Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
> > Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful and
> > well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
> > I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
> > experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
> > Thanks for listening,
> > Michelle
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
> >
> > Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details.  It's my
> > job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
> > issue.
> >
> > I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
> > handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well?  What formatting
> > are they using there, do you know?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> > Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
> > > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
> > book
> > > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
> > > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if
> there
> > > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost
> their
> > > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price
> and
> > > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
> > else.
> > > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
> > that
> > > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to
> get
> > > in touch with them to get a price.
> > > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed
> at
> > > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
> > I'm
> > > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are
> on
> > > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
> > > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
> > from
> > > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
> > > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
> > > Michelle
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
> blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
> > >
> > > I just looked up some examples here.  It's pricey, no doubt, but the
> > range
> > > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k.  Still crazy, but not 50k
> > crazy.
> > >
> > > See below...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
> > >
> > > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
> > here.
> > >  I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
> > > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
> > part
> > > of the school your son is attending.  Penn State just got nailed big
> time
> > > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to
> say
> > > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up.  The work
> > > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
> > the
> > > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it
> would
> > be
> > > for a sighted user.  Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't
> even
> > > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
> > >
> > > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
> > complete
> > > my work.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ryan.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <
> ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed.  If
> you
> > > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make
> any
> > > textbook in Braille at that price, ever.  Of course that isn't the
> case,
> > my
> > > company outsources this regularly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is.  Go directly to the source, the
> > book
> > > publisher, and find out from them.  Then, correct whoever is claiming
> > this
> > > misinformation.
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
> > > here?
> > > >
> > > > Ran
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks?  Does
> > that
> > > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you?  Most of the time the
> > > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text.  Perhaps the
> > instructor
> > > can
> > > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
> > those
> > > >> portions transcribed?  As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
> > >  That
> > > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
> > > >>
> > > >> SM
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we
> have
> > > just
> > > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
> > in
> > > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
> > > quoted
> > > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
> > used
> > > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
> > > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
> > > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
> > > >>> James Stewart
> > > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
> > > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
> > > >>> Chemistry
> > > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
> > > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
> > > >>> Publisher:  Wiley University Physics
> > > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
> > > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
> > > >>> Thank You - Tammy
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