[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 71, Issue 16
Nikhil Dama
nickdama12 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 19 17:24:52 UTC 2012
Hi,
What is the best resource to learn Latex. I am planning on going into
a field that has a lot of math and science. Therefore, I think that
the Latex would be a better route.
Thanks,
Nikhil Dama
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> 1. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Lamborn_Michelle)
> 2. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Ryan Hemphill)
> 3. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Lamborn_Michelle)
> 4. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Ryan Hemphill)
> 5. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Lamborn_Michelle)
> 6. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Ryan Hemphill)
> 7. questioning on authoring math (Nikhil Dama)
> 8. Re: questioning on authoring math (Michael Whapples)
> 9. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Lamborn_Michelle)
> 10. Re: problems reading PDF scientific documents
> (G?ssica Michelle dos Santos Pereira)
> 11. Re: problems reading PDF scientific documents (Michael Whapples)
> 12. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Tammy Berg)
> 13. Re: Used Braille College Text Books (Susan Mooney)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:08:13 -0800
> From: Lamborn_Michelle <Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Hello,
> We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her textbook
> book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her book to us and
> only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book with so much
> math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if there was a mistake
> they made on the price and they told us that it cost their agency $50,000 to
> make the book. We were very fortunate on the price and the book was so well
> made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere else.
> I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies that
> can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to get in
> touch with them to get a price.
> Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed at
> Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole. I'm
> in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are on
> this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
> For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio from
> Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also inquire
> at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
> Michelle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the range
> is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k crazy.
>
> See below...
>
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>
> I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit here.
> I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
> shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the part
> of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big time
> about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to say
> that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>
> Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The work
> that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make the
> price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it would be
> for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't even
> investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>
> Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to complete
> my work.
>
>
> Ryan.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If you
> think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make any
> textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the case, my
> company outsources this regularly.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the book
> publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming this
> misinformation.
>>
>> Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
> here?
>>
>> Ran
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks? Does that
>>> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>>> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the instructor
> can
>>> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only those
>>> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
>>> That
>>> figure is absolutely crazy.
>>>
>>> SM
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have
> just
>>>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books in
>>>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
> quoted
>>>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for used
>>>> Braille math and science college text books.
>>>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>>>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>>>> James Stewart
>>>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>>>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>>>> Chemistry
>>>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>>>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>>>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>>>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>>>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>>>> Thank You - Tammy
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:26:05 -0400
> From: Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's my
> job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
> issue.
>
> I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
> handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What formatting
> are they using there, do you know?
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
>> book
>> to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
>> with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if there
>> was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost their
>> agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price and
>> the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> else.
>> I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> that
>> can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to get
>> in touch with them to get a price.
>> Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed at
>> Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
>> I'm
>> in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are on
>> this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> from
>> Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> Michelle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> range
>> is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> crazy.
>>
>> See below...
>>
>>
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>>
>> I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> here.
>> I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
>> shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
>> part
>> of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big time
>> about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to say
>> that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>>
>> Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The work
>> that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
>> the
>> price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it would
>> be
>> for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't even
>> investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>>
>> Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> complete
>> my work.
>>
>>
>> Ryan.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If you
>> think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make any
>> textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the case,
>> my
>> company outsources this regularly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> > book
>> publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> this
>> misinformation.
>> >
>> > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
>> here?
>> >
>> > Ran
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks? Does
>> >> that
>> >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> >> instructor
>> can
>> >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> >> those
>> >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
>> That
>> >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> >>
>> >> SM
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have
>> just
>> >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
>> >>> in
>> >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
>> quoted
>> >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> >>> used
>> >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> >>> James Stewart
>> >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> >>> Chemistry
>> >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated? (Zen
>> >> Judaism)
>> >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
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>
>
> Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:50:24 -0800
> From: Lamborn_Michelle <Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Hi Ryan,
> I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with Cengage
> in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student used large
> print and the ebook worked well for him.
> The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
> Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
> Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful and
> well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
> I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
> experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
> Thanks for listening,
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's my
> job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
> issue.
>
> I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
> handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What formatting
> are they using there, do you know?
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
>> book
>> to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
>> with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if there
>> was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost their
>> agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price and
>> the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> else.
>> I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> that
>> can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to get
>> in touch with them to get a price.
>> Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed at
>> Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
>> I'm
>> in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are on
>> this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> from
>> Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> Michelle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> range
>> is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> crazy.
>>
>> See below...
>>
>>
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>>
>> I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> here.
>> I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
>> shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
>> part
>> of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big time
>> about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to say
>> that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>>
>> Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The work
>> that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
>> the
>> price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it would
>> be
>> for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't even
>> investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>>
>> Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> complete
>> my work.
>>
>>
>> Ryan.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If you
>> think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make any
>> textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the case,
>> my
>> company outsources this regularly.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> > book
>> publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> this
>> misinformation.
>> >
>> > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
>> here?
>> >
>> > Ran
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks? Does
>> >> that
>> >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> >> instructor
>> can
>> >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> >> those
>> >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
>> That
>> >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> >>
>> >> SM
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have
>> just
>> >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
>> >>> in
>> >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
>> quoted
>> >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> >>> used
>> >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> >>> James Stewart
>> >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> >>> Chemistry
>> >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated? (Zen
>> >> Judaism)
>> >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Blindmath mailing list
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>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
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> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:00:25 -0400
> From: Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Not a problem. My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable Braille).
> What does your student use, out of curiosity?
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>> I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
>> Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student
>> used
>> large print and the ebook worked well for him.
>> The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
>> Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
>> Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful and
>> well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
>> I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
>> experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
>> Thanks for listening,
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's my
>> job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
>> issue.
>>
>> I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
>> handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What formatting
>> are they using there, do you know?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
>> book
>> > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
>> > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if
>> > there
>> > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost
>> > their
>> > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price
>> > and
>> > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> else.
>> > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> that
>> > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to
>> > get
>> > in touch with them to get a price.
>> > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed
>> > at
>> > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
>> I'm
>> > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are
>> > on
>> > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> from
>> > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> >
>> > I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> range
>> > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> crazy.
>> >
>> > See below...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>> >
>> > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> here.
>> > I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
>> > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
>> part
>> > of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big
>> > time
>> > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to
>> > say
>> > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The work
>> > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
>> the
>> > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it
>> > would
>> be
>> > for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't
>> > even
>> > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>> >
>> > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> complete
>> > my work.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ryan.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill
>> > <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If
>> > > you
>> > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make
>> > any
>> > textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the
>> > case,
>> my
>> > company outsources this regularly.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> book
>> > publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> this
>> > misinformation.
>> > >
>> > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
>> > here?
>> > >
>> > > Ran
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks? Does
>> that
>> > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> instructor
>> > can
>> > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> those
>> > >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
>> > That
>> > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> > >>
>> > >> SM
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we
>> > >>> have
>> > just
>> > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
>> in
>> > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
>> > quoted
>> > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> used
>> > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> > >>> James Stewart
>> > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> > >>> Chemistry
>> > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> > >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> > >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> > >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> Blindmath:
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>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
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>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated? (Zen
>> > >> Judaism)
>> > >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:08:10 -0800
> From: Lamborn_Michelle <Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Our students use JAWS, an APEX and this coming fall some will be using an
> IPad with APH's Refreshabraille 18. We are pretty excited here!
> Michelle
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> Not a problem. My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable Braille).
> What does your student use, out of curiosity?
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>> I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
>> Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student
>> used
>> large print and the ebook worked well for him.
>> The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
>> Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
>> Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful and
>> well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
>> I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
>> experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
>> Thanks for listening,
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's my
>> job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
>> issue.
>>
>> I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
>> handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What formatting
>> are they using there, do you know?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get her
>> book
>> > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science book
>> > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if
>> > there
>> > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost
>> > their
>> > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price
>> > and
>> > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> else.
>> > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> that
>> > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to
>> > get
>> > in touch with them to get a price.
>> > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is listed
>> > at
>> > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks Cole.
>> I'm
>> > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are
>> > on
>> > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> from
>> > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> >
>> > I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> range
>> > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> crazy.
>> >
>> > See below...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>> >
>> > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> here.
>> > I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think this
>> > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on the
>> part
>> > of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big
>> > time
>> > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to
>> > say
>> > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>> >
>> > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The work
>> > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and make
>> the
>> > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it
>> > would
>> be
>> > for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't
>> > even
>> > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>> >
>> > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> complete
>> > my work.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ryan.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill
>> > <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If
>> > > you
>> > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make
>> > any
>> > textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the
>> > case,
>> my
>> > company outsources this regularly.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> book
>> > publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> this
>> > misinformation.
>> > >
>> > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking about
>> > here?
>> > >
>> > > Ran
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks? Does
>> that
>> > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> instructor
>> > can
>> > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> those
>> > >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many times.
>> > That
>> > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> > >>
>> > >> SM
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we
>> > >>> have
>> > just
>> > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books
>> in
>> > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were
>> > quoted
>> > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> used
>> > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> > >>> James Stewart
>> > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> > >>> Chemistry
>> > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> > >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> > >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> > >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> Blindmath:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> >
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/susanannemooney%40gmail.com
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated? (Zen
>> > >> Judaism)
>> > >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Blindmath mailing list
>> > >> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> > >> for
>> > Blindmath:
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/ryanhemphill.email%40gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Blindmath mailing list
>> > Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:20:05 -0400
> From: Ryan Hemphill <ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Well, don't hold your breath - it's still going to take me a little while
> to get this executed and there are a lot of steps along the way. Good to
> know what you are currently using though. Which version of the APEX are we
> talking about here? The longer, the better. As you well know, equations
> can be very long and creating an interactive system without much room to
> work is pretty tough.
>
> Another question - if they are using their refreshable Braille display for
> math, what are they typically doing to navigate an equation? Insights on
> this are very helpful. I understand if it takes time to get back to me on
> this.
>
> On another note, I apologize if I have taken things off topic too much. If
> anyone would prefer this become a private conversation, please let me know
> and I'll discuss the rest one-on-one.
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Our students use JAWS, an APEX and this coming fall some will be using an
>> IPad with APH's Refreshabraille 18. We are pretty excited here!
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> Not a problem. My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable
>> Braille).
>> What does your student use, out of curiosity?
>>
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Ryan,
>> > I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
>> > Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student
>> used
>> > large print and the ebook worked well for him.
>> > The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
>> > Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
>> > Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful
>> > and
>> > well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
>> > I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
>> > experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
>> > Thanks for listening,
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> >
>> > Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's
>> > my
>> > job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
>> > issue.
>> >
>> > I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
>> > handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What
>> > formatting
>> > are they using there, do you know?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> > Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> > > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get
>> > > her
>> > book
>> > > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science
>> > > book
>> > > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if
>> there
>> > > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost
>> their
>> > > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price
>> and
>> > > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> > else.
>> > > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> > that
>> > > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to
>> get
>> > > in touch with them to get a price.
>> > > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is
>> > > listed
>> at
>> > > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks
>> > > Cole.
>> > I'm
>> > > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are
>> on
>> > > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> > > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> > from
>> > > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> > > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> > > Michelle
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>> blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> > >
>> > > I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> > range
>> > > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> > crazy.
>> > >
>> > > See below...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>> > >
>> > > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> > here.
>> > > I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think
>> > > this
>> > > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on
>> > > the
>> > part
>> > > of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big
>> time
>> > > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to
>> say
>> > > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>> > >
>> > > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The
>> > > work
>> > > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and
>> > > make
>> > the
>> > > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it
>> would
>> > be
>> > > for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't
>> even
>> > > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> > complete
>> > > my work.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ryan.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <
>> ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If
>> you
>> > > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make
>> any
>> > > textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the
>> case,
>> > my
>> > > company outsources this regularly.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> > book
>> > > publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> > this
>> > > misinformation.
>> > > >
>> > > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking
>> > > > about
>> > > here?
>> > > >
>> > > > Ran
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney
>> > > > <susanannemooney at gmail.com
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks?
>> > > >> Does
>> > that
>> > > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> > > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> > instructor
>> > > can
>> > > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> > those
>> > > >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many
>> > > >> times.
>> > > That
>> > > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> SM
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we
>> have
>> > > just
>> > > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts
>> > > >>> books
>> > in
>> > > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they
>> > > >>> were
>> > > quoted
>> > > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> > used
>> > > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> > > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> > > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> > > >>> James Stewart
>> > > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> > > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> > > >>> Chemistry
>> > > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> > > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> > > >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> > > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> > > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> > > >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> > > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > > >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> > > >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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>> > > >>> Blindmath:
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>> > >
>> >
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindmath_nfbnet.org/susanannemooney%40gmail.com
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated?
>> > > >> (Zen
>> > > >> Judaism)
>> > > >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
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>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> > >
>> > >
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> Shipping is a Feature...Perhaps the Most Important Feature.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:01:55 -0500
> From: Nikhil Dama <nickdama12 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] questioning on authoring math
> Message-ID:
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>
> HI Everyone,
>
> I am visually impaired. I have some vision, but it is hard for me to
> use my vision to read material. What is the best way to type math on
> the computer? I heard about latex and chattyimfty. Which do you think
> is the best method? Do you suggest any other method? My goal is to
> write math on the computer and use technology to convert it into a
> format that sited people can read just like regular math notation. Do
> you know any good software that is useful for scanning math notation?
> I know that the imftyreader is good. Is there any other softwares that
> you would recommend for math OCR?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick Dama
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:12:59 +0100
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] questioning on authoring math
> Message-ID: <4FDF7DBB.704 at aim.com>
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>
> Hello,
> Both LaTeX and chattyinfty are options. Possibly LaTeX would be seen as
> the more serious choice if you were doing a significant amount of math
> authoring and has the advantage that its generally very popular amongst
> mathematicians and scientists so you probably could easily get help with
> it (probably someone within a university, loads of information and user
> groups on the internet, etc). Also the math part of LaTeX notation is
> quite popular for input in other software tools, eg. MathType has a
> LaTeX input mode and many blogs and wiki's will accept maths input in
> LaTeX notation.
>
> Chattyinfty I think probably has a lower learning curve. I haven't
> personally used it but that is the impression I get.
>
> Another option you might want to consider is MathType from design
> science used within word, you can get MathType to toggle between
> equation objects and LaTeX notation. One of the big advantages here is
> that you only need to learn the math part of LaTeX and you can use word
> features (which you probably are familiar with) for the rest of the
> document. One disadvantage is that this will tie you to using windows,
> probably not much of a problem but if you are one interested in Linux or
> Apple Macs then this is possibly is not for you, LaTeX might be a better
> choice.
>
> There are other editors out there such as LAMBDA but I don't know how
> good they are and as you didn't ask specifically on them I won't try and
> answer, I will leave it to others who know those editors better to
> describe them.
>
> As for the infty reader, it I think is about the only working solution
> for OCR of maths, other things are being researched but I don't know
> when they will be user ready.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 18/06/2012 20:01, Nikhil Dama wrote:
>> HI Everyone,
>>
>> I am visually impaired. I have some vision, but it is hard for me to
>> use my vision to read material. What is the best way to type math on
>> the computer? I heard about latex and chattyimfty. Which do you think
>> is the best method? Do you suggest any other method? My goal is to
>> write math on the computer and use technology to convert it into a
>> format that sited people can read just like regular math notation. Do
>> you know any good software that is useful for scanning math notation?
>> I know that the imftyreader is good. Is there any other softwares that
>> you would recommend for math OCR?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nick Dama
>>
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>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:14:43 -0800
> From: Lamborn_Michelle <Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org>
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
> Message-ID:
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>
> For the math you're talking about our students use a purchased textbook and
> work out equations and homework on a Perkins brailler. There are some
> assignments they would turn in with the APEX. Sorry for any confusion there
> about refreshable braille. Our chemistry student did get braille files to
> use on the APEX 18 cell. Those files were for day to day assignments, we
> also had the purchased textbook with tactiles.
> Sorry too if this got off topic, I just wanted to share a positive
> experience in getting a Chemistry textbook to our student.
> Michelle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:20 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> Well, don't hold your breath - it's still going to take me a little while
> to get this executed and there are a lot of steps along the way. Good to
> know what you are currently using though. Which version of the APEX are we
> talking about here? The longer, the better. As you well know, equations
> can be very long and creating an interactive system without much room to
> work is pretty tough.
>
> Another question - if they are using their refreshable Braille display for
> math, what are they typically doing to navigate an equation? Insights on
> this are very helpful. I understand if it takes time to get back to me on
> this.
>
> On another note, I apologize if I have taken things off topic too much. If
> anyone would prefer this become a private conversation, please let me know
> and I'll discuss the rest one-on-one.
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>
>> Our students use JAWS, an APEX and this coming fall some will be using an
>> IPad with APH's Refreshabraille 18. We are pretty excited here!
>> Michelle
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> Not a problem. My solution is going to be AT-based (Refreshable
>> Braille).
>> What does your student use, out of curiosity?
>>
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Ryan,
>> > I am glad to hear you noticed about the textbook. We've worked with
>> > Cengage in the past, purchasing etext for a finance class. Our student
>> used
>> > large print and the ebook worked well for him.
>> > The Chemistry book was transcribed according to the Braille Code for
>> > Chemical Notation, 1997 and The Nemeth Braille Code for Mathematics and
>> > Science Notation, 1972 Rev., 2007 Update. The tactiles were wonderful
>> > and
>> > well made. Our high school student did well in this class.
>> > I don't know what the difference is from k-12 to college, we are
>> > experiencing some difficulties in getting AP textbooks at the moment.
>> > Thanks for listening,
>> > Michelle
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:26 AM
>> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> >
>> > Oh yeah, I definitely noticed after checking in on the details. It's
>> > my
>> > job to fix this problem and I am *definitely* paying attention to this
>> > issue.
>> >
>> > I would like to ask a question about the Chemistry --- is that going to
>> > handle the Chemical Reaction math with braille as well? What
>> > formatting
>> > are they using there, do you know?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lamborn_Michelle <
>> > Lamborn_Michelle at asdk12.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > > We had a high school student taking a Chemistry class here and her
>> > > textbook book wasn't available anywhere. APH worked with us to get
>> > > her
>> > book
>> > > to us and only charged us $1,000! We were surprised that a science
>> > > book
>> > > with so much math and tactiles could cost us so little. We asked if
>> there
>> > > was a mistake they made on the price and they told us that it cost
>> their
>> > > agency $50,000 to make the book. We were very fortunate on the price
>> and
>> > > the book was so well made! Again this title was unavailable anywhere
>> > else.
>> > > I looked at APH for the Calculus title below and there are 3 agencies
>> > that
>> > > can provide that book in braille. It might be worthwhile for Tammy to
>> get
>> > > in touch with them to get a price.
>> > > Ryan, you might be interested to know that the Calculus book is
>> > > listed
>> at
>> > > Cengage Learning? I know that Tammy said the publisher is Brooks
>> > > Cole.
>> > I'm
>> > > in no way being critical, I think it's great that you and Cengage are
>> on
>> > > this list listening to how difficult getting textbooks can be!
>> > > For the Chemistry book, I could only find it in an ebook and in audio
>> > from
>> > > Learning Ally. Since it's not available in braille, Tammy could also
>> > > inquire at APH. She would hopefully be as lucky as we were.
>> > > Michelle
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>> blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > > On Behalf Of Ryan Hemphill
>> > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:11 AM
>> > > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> > > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>> > >
>> > > I just looked up some examples here. It's pricey, no doubt, but the
>> > range
>> > > is not 50k, the worst I see is around 5k. Still crazy, but not 50k
>> > crazy.
>> > >
>> > > See below...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/find.html?mv_session_id=c2RGk5gT&mv_action=search&mv_form_profile=search_type&w=Calculus&c=&mv_click=Go
>> > >
>> > > I would also like to mention that you may have grounds for a lawsuit
>> > here.
>> > > I don't like being a troublemaker (most of the time) but i think
>> > > this
>> > > shows some real neglect of the laws around accessible education on
>> > > the
>> > part
>> > > of the school your son is attending. Penn State just got nailed big
>> time
>> > > about their accessibility issues, so it isn't going out on a limb to
>> say
>> > > that this school is subject to the same ruling.
>> > >
>> > > Incidentally, I would like to thank you for bringing this up. The
>> > > work
>> > > that I am doing is designed to convert math to Braille online and
>> > > make
>> > the
>> > > price of an electronic textbook no different for the blind than it
>> would
>> > be
>> > > for a sighted user. Seeing the prices for texts, something I hadn't
>> even
>> > > investigated, shows me just how important it is to make this happen.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for inadvertently providing me with additional incentive to
>> > complete
>> > > my work.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ryan.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Saturday, June 16, 2012, Ryan Hemphill <
>> ryanhemphill.email at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > I would agree. It sounds Ike someone is very very misinformed. If
>> you
>> > > think about it logically, there is no way that anyone would ever make
>> any
>> > > textbook in Braille at that price, ever. Of course that isn't the
>> case,
>> > my
>> > > company outsources this regularly.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > If it sounds wrong, it probably is. Go directly to the source, the
>> > book
>> > > publisher, and find out from them. Then, correct whoever is claiming
>> > this
>> > > misinformation.
>> > > >
>> > > > Just out of curiousity, which school is this that we're talking
>> > > > about
>> > > here?
>> > > >
>> > > > Ran
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, June 13, 2012, Susan Mooney
>> > > > <susanannemooney at gmail.com
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >> Where in the world is the university procuring the textbooks?
>> > > >> Does
>> > that
>> > > >> not seem a bit on the high side for you? Most of the time the
>> > > >> instructors/profs will not use the entire text. Perhaps the
>> > instructor
>> > > can
>> > > >> outline which portions of the text s/he will be using and get only
>> > those
>> > > >> portions transcribed? As a transcriber, I've done this many
>> > > >> times.
>> > > That
>> > > >> figure is absolutely crazy.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> SM
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we
>> have
>> > > just
>> > > >>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts
>> > > >>> books
>> > in
>> > > >>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they
>> > > >>> were
>> > > quoted
>> > > >>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for
>> > used
>> > > >>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> > > >>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> > > >>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> > > >>> James Stewart
>> > > >>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> > > >>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> > > >>> Chemistry
>> > > >>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> > > >>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> > > >>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> > > >>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> > > >>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> > > >>> Thank You - Tammy
>> > > >>> _______________________________________________
>> > > >>> Blindmath mailing list
>> > > >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>> > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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>> > > >>> Blindmath:
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>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Be Here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated?
>> > > >> (Zen
>> > > >> Judaism)
>> > > >> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/875661.Rumi>
>> > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > >> Blindmath mailing list
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>> > > >>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:04:06 -0300
> From: G?ssica Michelle dos Santos Pereira <gessicamichelle at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] problems reading PDF scientific documents
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> Hello Michael,
>
> Thanks for your e-mail and encouragement.
> As you suggested feeling free to ask questions, here they go:
> - I would like to hear more about the diagram tools as I deal with
> circuit diagrams in charts all the time;
> - I am having problems getting MatLab to work with Jaws. I followed
> the instructions from MathWorks and Java Access Bridge sites....but,
> no success.
> - Power point: how to make presentations without getting lost in the
> script? (do I have to memorize the whole article?)
> - Can I get a tip on a good tool that can replace HP50G calculator?(Do
> I really need to solve all the integrals analitically?)
>
> That's all I can think of, at the moment.
> Thanks again for all your support.
>
> Best wishes,
> Gessica Michelle
>
> 2012/6/13, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>:
>> Its good to hear that you are having some success.
>>
>> As for diagrams, yes they probably will need some help from another
>> person, however there are a number of tools out there which may help
>> you. Some are commercial offerings and cost others are free and
>> sometimes part of a research project. There are tools for both viewing
>> and creating diagrams. I have just finished preparing some examples for
>> a workshop on creating diagrams within LaTeX documents, the particular
>> package I am covering in the examples is a general drawing package but
>> there are some packages which build on it for more specific diagram
>> types (probably even ones for electrical circuit diagrams).
>>
>> There may be times when it all seems hard and the odds against you, but
>> keep pushing and you should manage to succeed in the end. Feel free to
>> ask more questions if you have them (eg. if you want more details on
>> accessible diagram software).
>>
>> Michael Whapples
>> On 13/06/2012 22:37, G?ssica Michelle dos Santos Pereira wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thank you again for the advice.and sorry for the late response.
>>>
>>> Here some good news:
>>> I've tried the Mathtype, the result is not bad. It doesn't work as the
>>> tutorial says, but maybe it is because of the version. The important
>>> thing is that I am not in the negative zone anymore, this means that
>>> for the first time I've been able to read a doc document with
>>> formulae.
>>>
>>> I will try to ask for help from some sighted to clean the input pdf
>>> document after printing it into tif, then process it in InftyReader.
>>> Anyway, I am an Electrical Engeneer and I will keep needing a sighted
>>> help because of the diagrams and charts.
>>>
>>> I've asked the original document in doc to some paper's authors and
>>> so far I've got three replies out of four requests ... not at all
>>> bad!!!.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried the MathML and the MathPlayer yet, but I will.
>>>
>>> Well... so far, so good.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> G?ssica Michelle
>>>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:47:03 +0100
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
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> Hello,
> I only really know about the question about diagrams and powerpoint.
>
> On the diagram stuff there are many tools and many research projects.
>
> Probably the most significant for drawing are the packages for LaTeX,
> you will have a choice of various packages, some general drawing
> packages others being specific to certain types of drawing. Also if you
> choose to use LaTeX for writing documents then this will fit in very
> well for including diagrams in documents.
>
> One very popular package for LaTeX for drawing is PGF/TikZ, this is a
> general package but many packages for specific drawing types build on
> this. I think TikZ has a circuit library anyway. For a quick
> introduction, no where near covering all capabilities of TikZ, you may
> want to look at the LaTeX wikibook (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX)
> which has a chapter on PGF/TikZ.
>
> However here are two other packages for LaTeX for circuit diagrams,
> circuitikz and circ. Doing a google search for the package name
> (probably also with LaTeX) should give useful results for learning about
> those packages.
>
> Other accessible tools for drawing I think are more general or are not
> specific to circuit drawings. However some of the more general tools may
> still be useful. I know that Richard Baldwin made some tools for
> creating SVG diagrams, if you go back through the list you probably will
> find links to them.
>
> Another alternative might be IVEO from ViewPlus but then you are talking
> quite a bit of money, however IVEO could also provide help with reading
> diagrams as well.
>
> Also I know some here have mentioned using the voice
> (http://www.seeingwithsound.com) to view diagrams (both printed and on
> the computer I think). I personally never really managed to get on with
> the voice, but I can see value in it if you can learn to use it. How
> complicated the diagram can be before its too hard to understand with
> the voice I don't know, others might be able to give better advice.
>
> Finally I will mention a research project, I think they have a prototype
> out, and while they haven't focussed on circuit diagrams may be they
> would be willing to look at supporting them if you were willing to work
> with them and give feedback. Anyway the website for that project is
> http://ccmi.eecs.qmul.ac.uk
>
> Now to the powerpoint stuff, or may be more accurately electronic
> presentations. I personally have not used powerpoint so don't know much
> about it. If for diagram creation and document authoring you were to go
> with LaTeX, an obvious extension might be to do your presentations in
> LaTeX. There are a number of packages for doing this, beamer is the one
> I know about and one of the more popular. With beamer you write your
> document in the same way as any other LaTeX document, inserting commands
> to tell it where slides begin and end, information about overlays, etc,
> and then you compile to PDF. When you give the presentation, you open
> the PDF in adobe reader, change to full screen mode and move by pages to
> change the slide.
>
> How to follow what you are presenting when doing the presentation is
> something you may need to work out for yourself. Some have said one
> problem with beamer is that the output is not accessible to them, that
> is not too much of a problem for me as I don't like using a screen
> reader while presenting, its too easy to have awkward pauses while you
> listen to what the computer speech is saying, so normally I have
> Brailled notes to hand.
>
> I hope this helps you.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 18/06/2012 23:04, G?ssica Michelle dos Santos Pereira wrote:
>> Hello Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for your e-mail and encouragement.
>> As you suggested feeling free to ask questions, here they go:
>> - I would like to hear more about the diagram tools as I deal with
>> circuit diagrams in charts all the time;
>> - I am having problems getting MatLab to work with Jaws. I followed
>> the instructions from MathWorks and Java Access Bridge sites....but,
>> no success.
>> - Power point: how to make presentations without getting lost in the
>> script? (do I have to memorize the whole article?)
>> - Can I get a tip on a good tool that can replace HP50G calculator?(Do
>> I really need to solve all the integrals analitically?)
>>
>> That's all I can think of, at the moment.
>> Thanks again for all your support.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Gessica Michelle
>>
>> 2012/6/13, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>:
>>> Its good to hear that you are having some success.
>>>
>>> As for diagrams, yes they probably will need some help from another
>>> person, however there are a number of tools out there which may help
>>> you. Some are commercial offerings and cost others are free and
>>> sometimes part of a research project. There are tools for both viewing
>>> and creating diagrams. I have just finished preparing some examples for
>>> a workshop on creating diagrams within LaTeX documents, the particular
>>> package I am covering in the examples is a general drawing package but
>>> there are some packages which build on it for more specific diagram
>>> types (probably even ones for electrical circuit diagrams).
>>>
>>> There may be times when it all seems hard and the odds against you, but
>>> keep pushing and you should manage to succeed in the end. Feel free to
>>> ask more questions if you have them (eg. if you want more details on
>>> accessible diagram software).
>>>
>>> Michael Whapples
>>> On 13/06/2012 22:37, G?ssica Michelle dos Santos Pereira wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again for the advice.and sorry for the late response.
>>>>
>>>> Here some good news:
>>>> I've tried the Mathtype, the result is not bad. It doesn't work as the
>>>> tutorial says, but maybe it is because of the version. The important
>>>> thing is that I am not in the negative zone anymore, this means that
>>>> for the first time I've been able to read a doc document with
>>>> formulae.
>>>>
>>>> I will try to ask for help from some sighted to clean the input pdf
>>>> document after printing it into tif, then process it in InftyReader.
>>>> Anyway, I am an Electrical Engeneer and I will keep needing a sighted
>>>> help because of the diagrams and charts.
>>>>
>>>> I've asked the original document in doc to some paper's authors and
>>>> so far I've got three replies out of four requests ... not at all
>>>> bad!!!.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried the MathML and the MathPlayer yet, but I will.
>>>>
>>>> Well... so far, so good.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> G?ssica Michelle
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> Thank you everyone for your feedback and responses. After talking with the
> disability services department more,?I was provided with the following
> information regarding where they received their pricing for the books being
> transcribed to Braille. My son will be the first blind student to attend
> their univesity so it's going to be a learning experience for all of us.
> They are?offering audio books, readers, and scribes; however, we were really
> hoping to get the books in Braille so he can be more independent and have
> the material at his fingertips. We will continue to push for the Braille
> books.
>
> "The estimates were done by Arizona State University?s Disability
> Services Office that does the work in-house for their students.?? Others
> confirm that they deliver the
> highest quality produced at a reasonable cost.
> I have a list of other agencies that do Braille texts, but have
> been warned that not all are equal in quality or production time. ?Most
> conversion agencies require one year in advance to convert texts to
> Braille.
> ?College level science and math pose another challenge:? it is
> important that the agency employs converters that know the subject matter
> well enough to accurately convert it.
> The ASU estimates (sans two) for Fall 2012
> semester were as follows:
> --Basics of Engineering Economy ?= $18,000??
> (could be a ?hybrid? for $8000)
> --Chemistry: The Molecular Nature of Matter = $55,000? (not
> cheaper as a hybrid due to more labor involved in making the text/images to
> audio with screen-reader)
> --University Physics = $72,000 (could be a ?hybrid? for $38,000
> if student is accustomed to listening to math)
> --Calculus = $71,000 (could be a ?hybrid? for $40,000 if student
> is accustomed to listening to math)"
>
> ??
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:50 PM
> Subject: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>
> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have just
> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books in
> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were quoted
> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for used
> Braille math and science college text books.
> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
> Calculus, 6th Edition
> James Stewart
> ISBN-13978-0495011668
> Publiser: Brooks Cole
> Chemistry
> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
> Publisher:? Wiley University Physics
> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
> Thank You - Tammy
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:15:12 -0400
> From: Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
> To: Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>, Blind Math list for those
> interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
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> The university needs to talk to other people. Yes, there are budget crappy
> transcribers out there. The overwhelming majority of us are professionals,
> however. Braille Plus (www.brailleplus.net) is a fabulous outfit which
> prides itself not only on accuracy and fast turn arounds but they are a joy
> to work with and for. Again, most instructors are not going to use the
> entire text so it may be worth getting only the portion of the books
> needed. I can't imagine trying to do physics and chem and math without
> braille. I have transcribed many level college texts w/o doing the entire
> book. It doesn't matter if your son is the first or the 121st blind
> student. The university needs to get its butt in gear.
>
> SM
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you everyone for your feedback and responses. After talking with
>> the
>> disability services department more, I was provided with the following
>> information regarding where they received their pricing for the books
>> being
>> transcribed to Braille. My son will be the first blind student to attend
>> their univesity so it's going to be a learning experience for all of us.
>> They are offering audio books, readers, and scribes; however, we were
>> really hoping to get the books in Braille so he can be more independent
>> and
>> have the material at his fingertips. We will continue to push for the
>> Braille books.
>>
>> "The estimates were done by Arizona State University?s Disability
>> Services Office that does the work in-house for their students. Others
>> confirm that they deliver the
>> highest quality produced at a reasonable cost.
>> I have a list of other agencies that do Braille texts, but have
>> been warned that not all are equal in quality or production time. Most
>> conversion agencies require one year in advance to convert texts to
>> Braille.
>> College level science and math pose another challenge: it is
>> important that the agency employs converters that know the subject matter
>> well enough to accurately convert it.
>> The ASU estimates (sans two) for Fall 2012
>> semester were as follows:
>> --Basics of Engineering Economy = $18,000
>> (could be a ?hybrid? for $8000)
>> --Chemistry: The Molecular Nature of Matter = $55,000 (not
>> cheaper as a hybrid due to more labor involved in making the text/images
>> to
>> audio with screen-reader)
>> --University Physics = $72,000 (could be a ?hybrid? for $38,000
>> if student is accustomed to listening to math)
>> --Calculus = $71,000 (could be a ?hybrid? for $40,000 if student
>> is accustomed to listening to math)"
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tammy Berg <tdberg72 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:50 PM
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Used Braille College Text Books
>>
>> My son will be attending a private university in the fall and we have
>> just
>> been notified that they will not be able to provide his texts books in
>> Braille due to the cost of $50,000-$60,000 per text that they were quoted
>> for having them converted to Braille. Are there any resources for used
>> Braille math and science college text books.
>> The texts that he will be using in the fall are:
>> Calculus, 6th Edition
>> James Stewart
>> ISBN-13978-0495011668
>> Publiser: Brooks Cole
>> Chemistry
>> The Molecular View of Nature, 6th Edition
>> Jespersen, Brady, Hyslop
>> Publisher: Wiley University Physics
>> by Young & Freedman 13th edition 2012
>> Publishers: Addison & Wesley
>> Thank You - Tammy
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