[Blindmath] Tactile Math Graphs and additional comment

Bente bente at casilenc.com
Tue Oct 2 17:43:17 UTC 2012 


Mary,

 LOVE this !!


On October 2, 2012 at 12:32 PM Mary Woodyard <marywoodyard at comcast.net> wrote:

> I am just the parent of a visually impaired high school student who is
> taking Math 2 which is Intermediate Algebra.  I agree on the tactile graphs
> because of lot of states have very restrictive verbal description policies
> which would make it difficult to gather enough information to really be
> helpful.  My other thought is to ask the professors if there is a nonvisual
> way to learn the same concept.
>
> For instance, my son is currently learning about Quadratic equations and a
> lot of his work involves converting from standard form to intercept form to
> vertex form.  If you understand how to do this and understand the different
> components of the standard equation - it actually tells you quite a bit
> about the graph without having to see the graph.  You can determine how many
> roots it has, whether they are real or imaginary, whether it has a stretch
> or a shrink, whether it opens up or down  and also whether it is inverted or
> reflected all without actually looking at it.
>
> There are problems that you will be required to look at and that is why you
> should get the tactile diagrams.  However, if you get your teachers to teach
> you a nonvisual way to determine as much of the information as you can - it
> will help some.  I have found that once a teacher figures that out - they
> kind of get into a pattern of teaching you that way when they can.
>
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> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 10:18:15 -0700
> From: "John Gardner" <john.gardner at orst.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
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> Sorry, but verbal descriptions of graphs used in algebra are seldom useful.
> Get tactile diagrams.
> John Gardner
>
>
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> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
>
> You will need someone to explain the graphs to you.
> I'd suggest you ask your professor to do this, explain that you want to
> understand this, that you can't access the graphs so you'd like them to
> describe them.
> Go in with the attitude that you care and want to learn this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Catalina Acevedo
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:08 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] Math graphs
>
> Hello,
> My name is Catalina. I am taking a math class and use Braille.
> I have a difficult time with my class because the 3 chapters of my math
> textbook at my college are almost entirely graphic. I told the instructor I
> cannot do it since it is very hard to understand the graphs for this
> intermediate to advance algebra class. But they tell me they don?t know how
> to accommodate me. They use MyMathLab, which is not accessible for me.
> Does anyone have any suggestions, please? How does a blind student navigate
> a textbook that has a lot of graphs?
> Thanks a lot,
> Catalina
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> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 12:57:52 -0500
> From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
> To: john.gardner at orst.edu, Blind Math list for those interested in
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
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> John, you are so right!
> Gaylebn
>
> At 12:18 PM 10/1/2012, you wrote:
> >Sorry, but verbal descriptions of graphs used in algebra are seldom
> >useful.  Get tactile diagrams. John Gardner -----Original
> >Message----- From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M
> >(TASC) Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:05 AM To: 'Blind Math list for
> >those interested in mathematics' Subject:
> >Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs You will need someone to explain the graphs
> >to you. I'd suggest you ask your professor to do this, explain that you
> >want to understand this, that you can't access the graphs so you'd like
> >them to describe them. Go in with the attitude that you care and want
> >to learn this. -----Original
> >Message----- From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >[mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Catalina Acevedo
> >Sent: Monday, October 01,
> >2012 6:08 AM To: blindmath at nfbnet.org Subject:
> >[Blindmath] Math graphs Hello, My name is Catalina. I am taking a math
> >class and use Braille. I have a difficult time with my class because
> >the 3 chapters of my math textbook at my college are almost entirely
> >graphic. I told the instructor I cannot do it since it is very hard to
> >understand the graphs for this intermediate to advance algebra class.
> >But they tell me they don???t know how to accommodate me. They use
> >MyMathLab, which is not accessible for me. Does anyone have any
> >suggestions, please? How does a blind student navigate a textbook that
> >has a lot of graphs? Thanks a lot, Catalina
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> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:25:50 -0400
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
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>         mathematics'"        <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
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> If tactile diagrams are not available then audible spoken descriptions can
> work.  I went through college with no tactile graphs.  I am 100% blind and
> took all the way up to calculus 3.  It can be done.  Now that doesn't mean
> it is a perfect situation but it can be done.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of John Gardner
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:18 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
>
> Sorry, but verbal descriptions of graphs used in algebra are seldom useful.
> Get tactile diagrams.
> John Gardner
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math graphs
>
> You will need someone to explain the graphs to you.
> I'd suggest you ask your professor to do this, explain that you want to
> understand this, that you can't access the graphs so you'd like them to
> describe them.
> Go in with the attitude that you care and want to learn this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Catalina Acevedo
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 6:08 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] Math graphs
>
> Hello,
> My name is Catalina. I am taking a math class and use Braille.
> I have a difficult time with my class because the 3 chapters of my math
> textbook at my college are almost entirely graphic. I told the instructor I
> cannot do it since it is very hard to understand the graphs for this
> intermediate to advance algebra class. But they tell me they don?t know how
> to accommodate me. They use MyMathLab, which is not accessible for me.
> Does anyone have any suggestions, please? How does a blind student navigate
> a textbook that has a lot of graphs?
> Thanks a lot,
> Catalina
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> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:15:46 -0400
> From: "Hamid Hamraz" <hhamraz at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Math" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Math in Wikipedia
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> Dear All,
>
> The graphical math in Wikipedia pages appear to be in Latex when traversed
> by a screen-reader. Although doable, Latex reading by screen-reader is not
> efficient for me. I wonder if there is a plugin for web browser which
> converts the latex to something more convenient. I've heard about Math
> Player and had it installed on my computer, but I haven't seen any change.
> Does math player address my issue? Any other suggestions?
>
> Hamid
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> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:05:53 -0700
> From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
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> MathPlayer doesn't address this.  We did it in a prototype, but Wikipedia is
> moving (slowly) to using MathJax for MathML rendering.  There is an
> experimental version of using MathJax for Wikipedia, and you can give it a
> try.  Not all math is on the wikipedia pages is done with TeX (and hence can
> be converted to MathML), some is "HTML math" (using sup, em, etc).
>
> To use MathJax on Wikipedia, you need an account on wikipedia.  Go to some
> wikipedia page besides the front page and there is a "create account" link
> if you don't already have an account.  After creating the account, read the
> instructions at this link for what you need to set:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/MathJax_testing
>
> You will likely need to tell MathJax (via the right button content menu) to
> use MathML (which causes MathPlayer to run).  It is under Math
> Settings:MathML Renderer: MathML
>
> I hope it works for you.  Some day, Wikipedia will turn this on by default.
>
> Neil Soiffer
> Senior Scientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
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> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Hamid Hamraz <hhamraz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > The graphical math in Wikipedia pages appear to be in Latex when
> > traversed by a screen-reader. Although doable, Latex reading by
> > screen-reader is not efficient for me. I wonder if there is a plugin
> > for web browser which converts the latex to something more convenient.
> > I've heard about Math Player and had it installed on my computer, but I
> haven't seen any change.
> > Does math player address my issue? Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Hamid
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