[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 85, Issue 5

Fri Aug 9 02:45:57 UTC 2013

	I ordered the new Orion Talking scientific calculator today.  It is
on back order, so I have no idea when it will get shipped.  I'm salivating
to see how well it actually works.  If it does what I think it does, then I
will have to get a second one just to run experiments with the next couple
of semesters.

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Today's Topics:

   1. LaTeX (Justin Salisbury)
   2. Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer (Neil Soiffer)
   3. Re: Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer (Kevin Fjelsted)
   4. Re: Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer (Neil Soiffer)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:47:47 +0000
From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
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	"blindmath at nfbnet.org"	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindmath] LaTeX
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All:
I want to learn how to write LaTeX in an editor that will be accessible with
Jaws. I have little to no experience actually writing LaTeX, but it is
something that I need in the short and long-term. Can you recommend any
resources for learning to write LaTeX? Can you recommend anything that I may
need for accessibility?
Thank you in advance,
Justin Salisbury

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 12:11:42 -0700
From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
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Subject: [Blindmath] Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer
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A while back I said I was going to write a blog post on how to make math
accessible in Wikipedia using MathPlayer.  I've finally written it:
http://accessiblemath.dessci.com/2013/08/wikipedia-accessible-math-in-3-easy
-steps.html

There's a lot of math in Wikipedia, so I think this will be really useful
for some of you.

I've written some other posts on using some of MathPlayer 3's new
accessibility features, so if you are using MathPlayer, you might want to
look through the last few postings to see if there is something in which you
are interested.

Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 14:26:14 -0500
From: Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer
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The problem is that if one is using a screen reader such as NVDA it doesn't
seem that the integration provides for exploration of the equation i.e.,
right-click?
How does one resolve this issue?
-Kevin

On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com> wrote:

> A while back I said I was going to write a blog post on how to make 
> math accessible in Wikipedia using MathPlayer.  I've finally written it:
> http://accessiblemath.dessci.com/2013/08/wikipedia-accessible-math-in-
> 3-easy-steps.html
> 
> There's a lot of math in Wikipedia, so I think this will be really 
> useful for some of you.
> 
> I've written some other posts on using some of MathPlayer 3's new 
> accessibility features, so if you are using MathPlayer, you might want 
> to look through the last few postings to see if there is something in 
> which you are interested.
> 
> Neil Soiffer
> Senior Scientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:02:27 -0700
From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Accessible math in Wikipedia using MathPlayer
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If you mean that you can't arbitrarily navigate a math expression, that's
not implemented yet.  I do understand that is a problem and hope to have a
solution in a few months.  You can however walk around the linear string of
words used (in NVDA, the default key binding for that is numpad 4 and 6), so
you can do some review.  It's not great, but better than nothing.  In any
case, hearing the math is vastly better than hearing gibberish or nothing.

I just tried NVDA and have two warnings to give:
1.  When NVDA loads a page, it asks MathPlayer to translate every bit of
math on the page before it will start reading the page.  I think it may do
that 2 or 3 times, so a page load is REALLY, REALLY slow for pages with lots
of math.  Go out and get a cup of coffee or get some exercise :-) I'll file
a bug with the NVDA folks.

2.  NVDA doesn't ask for the "smart" speech (speech geared towards the TTS
voice).  So MathPlayer adds "." and "," to get some pausing.  By default,
NVDA tries to speak some of these.  I recommend setting speech to not speak
the punctuation (it's under voice settings).

Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem is that if one is using a screen reader such as NVDA it 
> doesn't seem that the integration provides for exploration of the 
> equation i.e., right-click?
> How does one resolve this issue?
> -Kevin
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com> wrote:
>
> > A while back I said I was going to write a blog post on how to make 
> > math accessible in Wikipedia using MathPlayer.  I've finally written it:
> >
> http://accessiblemath.dessci.com/2013/08/wikipedia-accessible-math-in-
> 3-easy-steps.html
> >
> > There's a lot of math in Wikipedia, so I think this will be really 
> > useful for some of you.
> >
> > I've written some other posts on using some of MathPlayer 3's new 
> > accessibility features, so if you are using MathPlayer, you might 
> > want to look through the last few postings to see if there is 
> > something in which you are interested.
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> > Senior Scientist
> > Design Science, Inc.
> > www.dessci.com
> > ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation 
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