[Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about blindness

Mon Aug 26 04:09:23 UTC 2013

I think if Sina did all the research in the world it would be a different
world.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:12 PM
To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about
blindness

Dave,

The below is presented as research, not reporting. This was exactly my
point. You just took your anecdotal experience and those that you have heard
from others that you associate with, extrapolated to a larger group based on
this knowledge, and then appeared to completely dismissed a counterexample
presented to you. this is why we don't do research in this manner. Your
beliefs are completely and utterly irrelevant from a scientific point of
view. So are Ken's, and so are mine. The facts are what should matter, not
the preconceived or pre-held notions that any of us bring to the table.

The below study, in my humble opinion, however, appears to encapsulate the
concerns and experiences that you just laid out, without actually bothering
to ask the question, or cite the overwhelming evidence of, the underlying
claim.

Is there even a control group in this study? For example, is the researcher
controlling for race, language ability, physical appearance, behaviors,
etc.?

If you, as your email implies, already accept the claim that stereotyping
goes on, then you, by definition, must admit the pointlessness of the
research because you already accept the claim. Note, I'm not claiming the
research is pointless, by the way. Alternatively, if you approach it
scientifically whereby one does not assume, even despite overwhelming
personal experience, then one can generalize any facts that are learned,
using statistics and other evidence-based techniques, to a larger
population. Of course, then subsequent questions, which may address policy,
advocacy, and other such things can be asked and such research could be
useful in laying down the groundwork for those studies without having to
prove all over again that the stereotyping exists.

I'd love to see a study of whether self-reported stereotyping is higher
amongst individuals who claim that stereotyping occurs and those that either
have no opinion or do not claim this to be true. After all, if one controls
for the various confounds, then it would be fascinating to see a
correlation, or lack thereof, between those audiences e.g. if you expect
something to happen, then will it, or in more scientific words, a form of
confirmation bias.

In fact, the below research could easily fold in such a research question.

Take care,
Sina

Twitter: @SinaBahram
Website: http://www.SinaBahram.com
Blog: http://blog.SinaBahram.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
Andrews
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:48 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about
blindness

While such a discussion is off topic for this list, I frankly find it hard
to believe that you haven't been treated in a stereotypic manner in 20 plus
years.  Have you ever been in a restaurant when the wait person asked you in
a loud voice what you wanted?  Or -- asked your
companion(s) what you wanted.

I see examples of this kind of behavior almost daily and find it difficult
to believe you have had none in 20 plus years.  I suspect we just regard it
differently.

Dave

At 03:13 PM 8/25/2013, you wrote:
>Hmm I have been blind now 22 years and sighted 21 years.  I haven't 
>been stereo typed that I know of since I have been blind so I agree 
>with you Sina.  Now I have been stereo typed because I am short, white, 
>geeky, conservative, X-military, Baptist, , muscly, etc etc so maybe I 
>am just missing the relevance of this study if it doesn't include 
>stereo types that happen regardless of you being blind or not.
>
>Ken
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sina 
>Bahram
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:35 PM
>To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'; 'NFB Young 
>Professionals List'
>Cc: 'Advice and support for blind cooks'; 'blparent'; 'Colorado 
>Association of Blind Students List'; acb-l at nfbnet.org; 'Blind Talk 
>Mailing List'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'; 
>'Arizona Association of Blind Students List'; 'NFB of Colorado Discussion
List'
>Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes 
>about blindness
>
>Putting aside the relevance of whether this message is on/off topic 
>(since similar studies have been forwarded on here before, and I do 
>feel it's important to get as many participants as possible for such 
>research), I do have some concerns about the wording below. The 
>wording, frankly, is
neither
>here nor there, but the underlying semantics and assumptions 
>encapsulated
in
>the questions being asked is quite significant, I feel. The wording 
>below implies an acceptance that blind people are stereotyped somewhat 
>always,
and
>you're simply interested in understanding how. While I feel that this 
>is a fantastic position to hold, especially if one is attempting to 
>promote a particular dogma or funding opportunity, for example, it 
>might not be the best tact to take from a research point of view, if 
>that's of interest, of course. For example, the email below, to me, 
>seems to speak to an already self-selecting and rather biased 
>prospective participant, namely that of a blind individual who has 
>already been stereotyped or blind individuals who feel like such
stereotypes exists independent of their own experience e.g.
>insert anecdotal evidence here.
>
>So, essentially, what I'm asking is whether it might not be more
appropriate
>to examine If such stereotypes exist as strongly as one might believe, 
>and furthermore to word the research query in such a way so as not to 
>immediately bias the potential participant?
>
>Just some thoughts.
>
>Take care,
>Sina
>
>Twitter: @SinaBahram
>Website: http://www.SinaBahram.com
>Blog: http://blog.SinaBahram.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Arielle Silverman
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:20 PM
>To: NFB Young Professionals List
>Cc: Advice and support for blind cooks; blindmath; blparent; Colorado 
>Association of Blind Students List; acb-l at nfbnet.org; Blind Talk 
>Mailing List; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB 
>of Colorado Discussion List; Arizona Association of Blind Students List
>Subject: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about 
>blindness
>
>Hi all,
>My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a doctoral student in the 
>Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of 
>Colorado. As you may know, I am conducting a series of studies for my 
>dissertation examining blind people's experiences finding employment as 
>well as your experiences
in
>interacting with the sighted public. I would appreciate your help with 
>a brief online study investigating your views about ways in which blind
people
>tend to be stereotyped by society.
>The study should take no more than 15 minutes to complete. In 
>appreciation of your time, you will have the opportunity to enter a 
>raffle drawing to
win
>a $50 gift certificate to a merchant of your choice (Amazon.com,
Itunes.com,
>Olive Garden, or AMC Theaters). All of your responses in the study will 
>be anonymous and confidential. Anyone who is legally blind and at least 
>18 years old is welcome to participate.
>To begin please go to:
>http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eEhW5bXJgyKeetT
>Thank you as always for your assistance.
>Best,
>Arielle Silverman, M.A.
>Doctoral Candidate, Social Psychology
>Department of Psychology and Neuroscience
>345 UCB
>Boulder, CO 80309-0345
>arielle.silverman at colorado.edu
>
>
>On 8/25/13, Kevin Lowe <kevl2686 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Marisa. Unfortunately I have already been in contact with 
> > the president of the travel and leisure division and she had no 
> > other ideas
>from
> > what means I am currently using. Nonetheless I certainly do 
> > appreciate
>your
> > suggestion.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Kevin Lowe
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Kevin,
> >>
> >> I am not familiar with CRM software, albeit I know its purpose and 
> >> importance. You may find the NFB Travel and Tourism Division a 
> >> helpful resource, though. Perhaps you should contact one of the 
> >> Division's board members or officers for guidance. I presume the 
> >> Division may provide some sort of direction. Here is a link to the 
> >> Division's website http://www.nfbtravel.org/
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Marisa Lucca
> >> NFB Florida Member
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Young_professionals
> >> [mailto:young_professionals-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of kevl2686 at aol.com
> >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM
> >> To: young_professionals at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [Young_professionals] CRM software
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Owning my own travel agency I have been trying to find a Customer 
> >> Relationship Management (CRM) program that is fully accessible with
JAWS.
> >> As of now I have yet to find one that will work.  So this brings me 
> >> to my obvious question, do any of you know of a JAWS friendly CRM 
> >> program?  Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Kevin Lowe
> >> Better Days Travel, "We'll take you to a better place"
> >> www.BetterDaysTravel.com

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