[Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about blindness

Mon Aug 26 11:30:51 UTC 2013

Thankfully though, it's a world we don't have to live in. Arielle, I'm 
sorry you're getting attacked over nothing, but good luck on your 
research. Maybe you might include a bit for those living under a rock, 
screaming that they don't get treated differently at all because they're 
blind. Denial is a bad bad thing!
On 8/26/2013 12:09 AM, Ken Perry wrote:
> I think if Sina did all the research in the world it would be a different
> world.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sina
> Bahram
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:12 PM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about
> blindness
>
> Dave,
>
> The below is presented as research, not reporting. This was exactly my
> point. You just took your anecdotal experience and those that you have heard
> from others that you associate with, extrapolated to a larger group based on
> this knowledge, and then appeared to completely dismissed a counterexample
> presented to you. this is why we don't do research in this manner. Your
> beliefs are completely and utterly irrelevant from a scientific point of
> view. So are Ken's, and so are mine. The facts are what should matter, not
> the preconceived or pre-held notions that any of us bring to the table.
>
> The below study, in my humble opinion, however, appears to encapsulate the
> concerns and experiences that you just laid out, without actually bothering
> to ask the question, or cite the overwhelming evidence of, the underlying
> claim.
>
> Is there even a control group in this study? For example, is the researcher
> controlling for race, language ability, physical appearance, behaviors,
> etc.?
>
> If you, as your email implies, already accept the claim that stereotyping
> goes on, then you, by definition, must admit the pointlessness of the
> research because you already accept the claim. Note, I'm not claiming the
> research is pointless, by the way. Alternatively, if you approach it
> scientifically whereby one does not assume, even despite overwhelming
> personal experience, then one can generalize any facts that are learned,
> using statistics and other evidence-based techniques, to a larger
> population. Of course, then subsequent questions, which may address policy,
> advocacy, and other such things can be asked and such research could be
> useful in laying down the groundwork for those studies without having to
> prove all over again that the stereotyping exists.
>
>
> I'd love to see a study of whether self-reported stereotyping is higher
> amongst individuals who claim that stereotyping occurs and those that either
> have no opinion or do not claim this to be true. After all, if one controls
> for the various confounds, then it would be fascinating to see a
> correlation, or lack thereof, between those audiences e.g. if you expect
> something to happen, then will it, or in more scientific words, a form of
> confirmation bias.
>
> In fact, the below research could easily fold in such a research question.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> Twitter: @SinaBahram
> Website: http://www.SinaBahram.com
> Blog: http://blog.SinaBahram.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
> Andrews
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:48 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about
> blindness
>
> While such a discussion is off topic for this list, I frankly find it hard
> to believe that you haven't been treated in a stereotypic manner in 20 plus
> years.  Have you ever been in a restaurant when the wait person asked you in
> a loud voice what you wanted?  Or -- asked your
> companion(s) what you wanted.
>
> I see examples of this kind of behavior almost daily and find it difficult
> to believe you have had none in 20 plus years.  I suspect we just regard it
> differently.
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:13 PM 8/25/2013, you wrote:
>> Hmm I have been blind now 22 years and sighted 21 years.  I haven't
>> been stereo typed that I know of since I have been blind so I agree
>> with you Sina.  Now I have been stereo typed because I am short, white,
>> geeky, conservative, X-military, Baptist, , muscly, etc etc so maybe I
>> am just missing the relevance of this study if it doesn't include
>> stereo types that happen regardless of you being blind or not.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sina
>> Bahram
>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:35 PM
>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'; 'NFB Young
>> Professionals List'
>> Cc: 'Advice and support for blind cooks'; 'blparent'; 'Colorado
>> Association of Blind Students List'; acb-l at nfbnet.org; 'Blind Talk
>> Mailing List'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list';
>> 'Arizona Association of Blind Students List'; 'NFB of Colorado Discussion
> List'
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes
>> about blindness
>>
>> Putting aside the relevance of whether this message is on/off topic
>> (since similar studies have been forwarded on here before, and I do
>> feel it's important to get as many participants as possible for such
>> research), I do have some concerns about the wording below. The
>> wording, frankly, is
> neither
>> here nor there, but the underlying semantics and assumptions
>> encapsulated
> in
>> the questions being asked is quite significant, I feel. The wording
>> below implies an acceptance that blind people are stereotyped somewhat
>> always,
> and
>> you're simply interested in understanding how. While I feel that this
>> is a fantastic position to hold, especially if one is attempting to
>> promote a particular dogma or funding opportunity, for example, it
>> might not be the best tact to take from a research point of view, if
>> that's of interest, of course. For example, the email below, to me,
>> seems to speak to an already self-selecting and rather biased
>> prospective participant, namely that of a blind individual who has
>> already been stereotyped or blind individuals who feel like such
> stereotypes exists independent of their own experience e.g.
>> insert anecdotal evidence here.
>>
>> So, essentially, what I'm asking is whether it might not be more
> appropriate
>> to examine If such stereotypes exist as strongly as one might believe,
>> and furthermore to word the research query in such a way so as not to
>> immediately bias the potential participant?
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> Twitter: @SinaBahram
>> Website: http://www.SinaBahram.com
>> Blog: http://blog.SinaBahram.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:20 PM
>> To: NFB Young Professionals List
>> Cc: Advice and support for blind cooks; blindmath; blparent; Colorado
>> Association of Blind Students List; acb-l at nfbnet.org; Blind Talk
>> Mailing List; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB
>> of Colorado Discussion List; Arizona Association of Blind Students List
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Survey regarding perceptions of stereotypes about
>> blindness
>>
>> Hi all,
>> My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a doctoral student in the
>> Department of Psychology and Neuroscience at the University of
>> Colorado. As you may know, I am conducting a series of studies for my
>> dissertation examining blind people's experiences finding employment as
>> well as your experiences
> in
>> interacting with the sighted public. I would appreciate your help with
>> a brief online study investigating your views about ways in which blind
> people
>> tend to be stereotyped by society.
>> The study should take no more than 15 minutes to complete. In
>> appreciation of your time, you will have the opportunity to enter a
>> raffle drawing to
> win
>> a $50 gift certificate to a merchant of your choice (Amazon.com,
> Itunes.com,
>> Olive Garden, or AMC Theaters). All of your responses in the study will
>> be anonymous and confidential. Anyone who is legally blind and at least
>> 18 years old is welcome to participate.
>> To begin please go to:
>> http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_eEhW5bXJgyKeetT
>> Thank you as always for your assistance.
>> Best,
>> Arielle Silverman, M.A.
>> Doctoral Candidate, Social Psychology
>> Department of Psychology and Neuroscience
>> 345 UCB
>> Boulder, CO 80309-0345
>> arielle.silverman at colorado.edu
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/13, Kevin Lowe <kevl2686 at aol.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Marisa. Unfortunately I have already been in contact with
>>> the president of the travel and leisure division and she had no
>>> other ideas
>> from
>>> what means I am currently using. Nonetheless I certainly do
>>> appreciate
>> your
>>> suggestion.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Kevin Lowe
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "M Lucca" <lucca.marisa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with CRM software, albeit I know its purpose and
>>>> importance. You may find the NFB Travel and Tourism Division a
>>>> helpful resource, though. Perhaps you should contact one of the
>>>> Division's board members or officers for guidance. I presume the
>>>> Division may provide some sort of direction. Here is a link to the
>>>> Division's website http://www.nfbtravel.org/
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Marisa Lucca
>>>> NFB Florida Member
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Young_professionals
>>>> [mailto:young_professionals-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of kevl2686 at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 PM
>>>> To: young_professionals at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [Young_professionals] CRM software
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Owning my own travel agency I have been trying to find a Customer
>>>> Relationship Management (CRM) program that is fully accessible with
> JAWS.
>>>> As of now I have yet to find one that will work.  So this brings me
>>>> to my obvious question, do any of you know of a JAWS friendly CRM
>>>> program?  Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Lowe
>>>> Better Days Travel, "We'll take you to a better place"
>>>> www.BetterDaysTravel.com
>
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