[Blindmath] APH answer to 3d graphing paper

I. C. Bray i.c.bray at win.net
Sun Dec 1 06:22:16 UTC 2013


Yes... The spatial awareness is possible, but the actual
mentally shaping, graphing, and/or axial relationships might be only doable 
with pregenerated foam models, with semi-rigid planar representations....

Ian




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From: "sabra1023" <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
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:I think you mean that the information can't adequately be represented into 
dimensional form. It can be represented tactilely as long as it's in three 
dimensions. I don't know if this information can be put on a 3-D coordinate 
grid, or how helpful it would be, if I were doing it, I would want a 3-D 
shape of the function, with a table of important coordinates.
:
: > On Nov 22, 2013, at 10:00 AM, "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net> 
wrote:
: >
: > FYI - I sent this same question to APH and this is the response I got.
: >
: > "We do not have any 3-D graph paper as shown in your example at APH, nor 
am
: > I aware that it is available anywhere else. Technically speaking, 3-D
: > graphing may be OK for low vision students but not appropriate for 
braille
: > readers because depth information is not possible to be represented in
: > tactile graphics."
: >
: > I am going to just hope for the best and be glad it's a short unit!
: >
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: >   1. suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper giids (Mary Woodyard)
: >   2. Re: suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper giids
: >      (Lewicki, Maureen)
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: > Message: 1
: > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:58:41 -0500
: > From: "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
: > To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Subject: [Blindmath] suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper
: >    giids
: > Message-ID: <00ae01cee771$ce493cf0$6adbb6d0$@comcast.net>
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: > My son will be starting a 3d graphing unit that is fairly short (2 
weeks) in
: > about a week.  He spent some time searching online with his Math tutor 
for
: > 3d Graphing paper and this is the graph paper that they found that 
worked
: > the best for his vision from what they were able to find in free 3d 
graph
: > paper options.  Does anyone know of a more accessible free (or low cost)
: > option?
: >
: > Thanks,
: >
: > Mary Woodyard
: > Parent, 17 year old visually impaired student
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
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: >   1. Re: Latex training (John Gardner)
: >   2. A project to advance MathML support in browsers (Andrew Stacey)
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: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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: > Message: 1
: > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:50 -0800
: > From: "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
: > To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
: >    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
: > Message-ID: <00cd01cee671$334eac90$99ec05b0$@orst.edu>
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: > Another suggestion.  There's lots of Latex materials on
: > www.access2science.com
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Godfrey,
: > Jonathan
: > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:42 PM
: > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
: >
: > Hi Paul,
: >
: > I haven't got access to the net with sufficient time to find the exact 
link
: > for you but look for the Summery University held in conjunction with the
: > ICCHP. Sessions were recorded from 2010 onwards. I'm not sure if the 
2013
: > ones are uploaded yet but the files mentioned should all be there for
: > reference purposes.
: > J
: >
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
: > Chapin
: > Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2013 8:51 a.m.
: > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
: > Subject: [Blindmath] Latex training
: >
: > Hi,
: >
: > I'm looking for suggestions for material, courses, tutorials or anything
: > else that can be used to teach a student the basics of Latex.
: >
: > Paul Chapin
: > Academic Technology Specialist
: > Amherst College
: > X2144
: >
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: >
: > ------------------------------
: >
: > Message: 2
: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:00:00 +0100
: > From: Andrew Stacey <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>
: > To: Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Subject: [Blindmath] A project to advance MathML support in browsers
: > Message-ID: <20131121080000.GA590 at dhcp-020041.wlan.ntnu.no>
: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
: >
: > Dear all,
: >
: > I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a project to advance browser 
and
: > e-reader support for MathML.  The project description itself is very
: > detailed, and explicitly mentions the issue of accessibility in the
: > motivation section.
: >
: > The person behind this project is Fr?d?ric Wang.  He is one of the 
people
: > who has worked hard on MathML support in browser technology over the 
last
: > few years, so is best placed to know what the issues are and what the 
next
: > stage in development should be.  So if anyone is going to improved 
matters,
: > he's the best choice.
: >
: > He's looking for funding so that he can spend some time concentrating on
: > MathML development and the website is on a crowd-funding site where 
people
: > can contribute.  The actual amount that he is trying to raise is not
: > actually all that much, particularly given the wide-ranging benefits 
that
: > could follow from this.
: >
: > I hope that all of you will consider supporting this project, and that 
some
: > of you will actually do so.
: >
: > The website is: http://www.ulule.com/mathematics-ebooks/
: >
: > Andrew Stacey
: >
: >
: >
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: > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:05:19 +0000
: > From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
: > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
: >    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper
: >    giids
: > Message-ID: <618C267D-F570-40CA-8CEC-B0F62E993EA6 at bcsd.neric.org>
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: >
: > I am not familiar with three d graph paper, unless you are referring to 
the
: > paper from APH? I find my student fare best with the graph board from 
aph
: >
: > Maureen Lewicki
: > Teacher of the Visually Impaired
: > Bethlehem Central Schools
: > 700 Delaware Avenue
: > Delmar, NY 12054
: > http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
: >
: >
: > On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:59 AM, "Mary Woodyard"
: > <marywoodyard at comcast.net<mailto:marywoodyard at comcast.net>> wrote:
: >
: > My son will be starting a 3d graphing unit that is fairly short (2 
weeks) in
: > about a week.  He spent some time searching online with his Math tutor 
for
: > 3d Graphing paper and this is the graph paper that they found that 
worked
: > the best for his vision from what they were able to find in free 3d 
graph
: > paper options.  Does anyone know of a more accessible free (or low cost)
: > option?
: >
: > Thanks,
: >
: > Mary Woodyard
: > Parent, 17 year old visually impaired student
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
: > blindmath-request at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath-request at nfbnet.org>
: > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:00 AM
: > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Subject: Blindmath Digest, Vol 88, Issue 12
: >
: > Send Blindmath mailing list submissions to
: >   blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: >
: > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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: > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
: >   blindmath-request at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath-request at nfbnet.org>
: >
: > You can reach the person managing the list at
: >   blindmath-owner at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath-owner at nfbnet.org>
: >
: > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
: > "Re: Contents of Blindmath digest..."
: >
: >
: > Today's Topics:
: >
: >  1. Re: Latex training (John Gardner)
: >  2. A project to advance MathML support in browsers (Andrew Stacey)
: >
: >
: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
: >
: > Message: 1
: > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:50 -0800
: > From: "John Gardner" 
<gardnerj at onid.orst.edu<mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
: > To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
: >   <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
: > Message-ID:
: > 
<00cd01cee671$334eac90$99ec05b0$@orst.edu<mailto:00cd01cee671$334eac90$99ec0
: > 5b0$@orst.edu>>
: > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
: >
: > Another suggestion.  There's lots of Latex materials on
: > www.access2science.com<http://www.access2science.com>
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Godfrey,
: > Jonathan
: > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:42 PM
: > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Latex training
: >
: > Hi Paul,
: >
: > I haven't got access to the net with sufficient time to find the exact 
link
: > for you but look for the Summery University held in conjunction with the
: > ICCHP. Sessions were recorded from 2010 onwards. I'm not sure if the 
2013
: > ones are uploaded yet but the files mentioned should all be there for
: > reference purposes.
: > J
: >
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
: > Chapin
: > Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2013 8:51 a.m.
: > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
: > Subject: [Blindmath] Latex training
: >
: > Hi,
: >
: > I'm looking for suggestions for material, courses, tutorials or anything
: > else that can be used to teach a student the basics of Latex.
: >
: > Paul Chapin
: > Academic Technology Specialist
: > Amherst College
: > X2144
: >
: > Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including by
: > email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost certainly
: > bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that requires a login 
as
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: >
: >
: >
: > ------------------------------
: >
: > Message: 2
: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:00:00 +0100
: > From: Andrew Stacey
: > <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no<mailto:andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>>
: > To: Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
: > Subject: [Blindmath] A project to advance MathML support in browsers
: > Message-ID:
: > 
<20131121080000.GA590 at dhcp-020041.wlan.ntnu.no<mailto:20131121080000.GA590 at d
: > hcp-020041.wlan.ntnu.no>>
: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
: >
: > Dear all,
: >
: > I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a project to advance browser 
and
: > e-reader support for MathML.  The project description itself is very
: > detailed, and explicitly mentions the issue of accessibility in the
: > motivation section.
: >
: > The person behind this project is Fr?d?ric Wang.  He is one of the 
people
: > who has worked hard on MathML support in browser technology over the 
last
: > few years, so is best placed to know what the issues are and what the 
next
: > stage in development should be.  So if anyone is going to improved 
matters,
: > he's the best choice.
: >
: > He's looking for funding so that he can spend some time concentrating on
: > MathML development and the website is on a crowd-funding site where 
people
: > can contribute.  The actual amount that he is trying to raise is not
: > actually all that much, particularly given the wide-ranging benefits 
that
: > could follow from this.
: >
: > I hope that all of you will consider supporting this project, and that 
some
: > of you will actually do so.
: >
: > The website is: http://www.ulule.com/mathematics-ebooks/
: >
: > Andrew Stacey
: >
: >
: >
: > ------------------------------
: >
: > Subject: Digest Footer
: >
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