[Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please

Brian Richwine blrichwine at gmail.com
Mon Feb 4 13:50:17 CST 2013


Thanks. I guess we may need to look into purchasing a copier! The tiger
output works for some of our students and with simple to moderately complex
diagrams. However, since everything is a texture, it limits the different
types of textures we can create and sets a pretty low resolution of
information density. We find we have to make our arrow heads and data point
indicators much larger, for example.


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dorine in 't Veld <dorine at dvlop.nl> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> We tried, but the ink won't really dry and stains very easily, even after
> swelling.
>
> @Susan, thanks for your answer. (I hope I get permission to give it a
> try:)). Do you select the option 'thick paper'? Any other precautions?
>
> Dorine
>
>
> Op 2013-02-04 20:21, Brian Richwine schreef:
>
>  Has anyone had good results printing directly onto swell paper from a
>> modern ink jet printer, or other printer that won't overheat the paper?
>>
>> We used to do this, however our old ink jet printer died. We've tried a
>> couple new ink jet printers, however the inks do not work as well. We
>> can't
>> get good contrast between the printed and non-printed parts... and slowing
>> down the paper only causes the whole page to swell. I read through the
>> troubleshooting section in the BANA Tactile Graphics guide and it
>> suggested
>> that high-carbon inks work best so it seems that selecting a printer based
>> upon what ink is uses is key. Any ideas?
>>
>> We'd like to start using the swell paper again, because our students don't
>> like the output from the Tiger Embosser we purchased.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions!
>>    -Brian
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Susan Osterhaus <osterhauss at tsbvi.edu
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Dorine,
>>>
>>> Once I create my black line master, I print it on regular paper in any
>>> printer. Then, I copy it onto the SwellTouch paper by sending the paper
>>> through the by-pass tray on the side of the copy machine one sheet at a
>>> time. We purchase our SwellTouch paper from American Thermoform Company,
>>> but Humanware has the same paper. I think they both import it from Europe
>>> or elsewhere. Reprotronics has something called Flexi-Paper. I have never
>>> printed directly onto the SwellTouch paper.
>>>
>>> Susan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces@**nfbnet.org<blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>>> On Behalf Of Dorine
>>> in 't Veld
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:06 AM
>>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please
>>>
>>> Hi Susan,
>>>
>>> What swell paper and what printer do you use? Do you print on the
>>> swellpaper directly?
>>> We had trouble printing with a laser printer on Zyfuse paper; it was too
>>> hot, so the paper swelled, got sticky and jammed the printer when running
>>> through.
>>>
>>> Dorine in 't Veld
>>>
>>> Op 2013-01-25 23:54, Susan Osterhaus schreef:
>>>
>>>> I really like creating my geometry tactile graphics on SwellTouch
>>>> paper and running them through a PIAF. All the angles are so nice and
>>>> crisp. I create them using the MS Word drawing program. I first create
>>>> the braille-labeled one using the SwellBraille font (in 24 pt size)
>>>> recommended by the BANA Tactile Graphics Guidelines. You can obtain
>>>> the font for free by downloading from the Duxbury or the TSBVI website.
>>>> http://duxburysystems.com/**product2.asp?product=The%**
>>>> 20Braille%20TrueTyp<http://duxburysystems.com/product2.asp?product=The%20Braille%20TrueTyp>
>>>> e%20
>>>> Fonts&level=free&action=pur or
>>>> http://www.tsbvi.edu/**resources/1087-download-**
>>>> braille-and-asl-specialty<http://www.tsbvi.edu/resources/1087-download-braille-and-asl-specialty>
>>>> -fon ts  Then I go back in and change all the braille to a large print
>>>> font, and I have the exact same graph for my low vision students. It
>>>> is both a great tactile graphic and a wonderful black line graphic for
>>>> the low vision students. If you have a student who is transitioning
>>>> from print to braille, this can really give them a fun headstart. If
>>>> they still have some vision, they can both see and feel the graphic on
>>>> SwellTouch paper.
>>>> You might start with large print and then transition over to braille.
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lewicki, Maureen [mailto:mlewicki at bcsd.neric.**org<mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
>>>> ]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:15 PM
>>>> To: SusanOsterhaus at tsbvi.edu; Blind Math list for those interested in
>>>> mathematics
>>>> Subject: thoughts on a PIAF please
>>>>
>>>> Good Day! Is anyone using a PIAF to produce graphics quickly? Please
>>>> let me know what you think of it. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>> Teacher of Visually Impaired
>>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>>> (518)439-7681
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>>>> wrought in our life, or in the life of another." Helen Keller
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