[Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back geometry and graphs?

Mon Jan 14 20:12:56 UTC 2013

Hey,

Mary has attached a PDF file along with the mail. It is impossible to comprehend those images. The attachment shows various geometries that are a print and one has to find angles in different geometries etc, hence alt text won't work in this context.

Also she has asked for two different questions, but the subject line makes it little confusing. She has sought answers for geometries and algebra she has referred latex usage here. Sensational keyboard may not be useful in comprehending the shape of geometries asked in an examination like she has attached for our reference but as suggested shall surely help in understanding shapes.

Regards,

Kiran S Deshpande

Director Innovatin & Research
Innovation Unit,
Persion technologies pvt ltd.
Pune

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On 15-Jan-2013, at 1:10 AM, "Bente J. Casile" <bjcasile at waketech.edu> wrote:

> Mary,
> 
> Math Type or Scientific Notebook would work for you.  If you use Math Type it will read with JAWS and if you are putting his work in Braille Scientific Notebook works well.  You are correct that screen readers do not read graphics and the reason Math Type and Scientific Notebook are used is so the math is read correctly.  For example 3x+2 is very different from 3(x+2).  These programs make sure the math is read and put into braille correctly.  Worksheets are tough.  If there is any way the school could get Math Type then the teacher could use them to create the work and it would be accessible for your 10th grader.  As far as reading graphs goes,  if your son is not provided a tactile graphic then he would require an alternative text description of the graphic.  There is also something called sensational blackboard.  It allows the teacher to draw a quick graph on the spot for your son.  It can be used with paper and pencil.  If you google it I think you will find that it is $2
> 9.95 so not bad considering what VI products go for these days. I hope this helps.
> 
> Bente J. Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Wake Tech Community College
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Woodyard
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> Subject: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back geometry and graphs?
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> I am the parent of a Visually impaired 10th grader and I am curious as to how I could enable a screen reader to read the typed of information in this Math Worksheet that my son used in class.
> 
> I have been reading this website all summer and from what I understand - screen readers in general don't read graphics so just using a screen reader like Zoom Text or JAWS would not work here.
> 
> I think I would need to use LaTex or MathType to convert these graphics into a format that the screen reader could then read.  Is this correct?  Then would I need to use Infinity Reader or could Zoom Text or JAWS read it?
> 
> I am asking these questions because some teachers in my son's school are questioning why he needs a human reader to clarify some of the Math problems for him.  He has ROP, Glaucoma and is aphakik - he has partial vision in one eye only - but can use Large Print quite well for a lot of things.  Algebra and Geometry he needs someone reading some things back to him so he does not confuse the letters and symbols.
> 
> What is the best way to accomplish having a screen reader read back the geometry and graphs to him instead of a human reader?
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> Hi all,
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> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
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> Hi pranav,
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> I guess there is not any direct way to do so, but there certainly is a workaround, we can not import an accessible svg file in to a word processor that may help us in converting it to daisy but we may put a link to the svg file and launch the svg file in a browser that shall be then accessed via description.
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> Shall have a word with you on a call shortly.
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> Kiran S Deshpande
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> On 14-Jan-2013, at 7:09 PM, "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
>> SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
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>> Note:
>> If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me know.
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>> Pranav
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