[Blindmath] requesting for procedure regarding svg draw.

Sat Jan 19 15:49:30 UTC 2013

Dear Baldwin,

The reply was in reference to the usability / (Procedures for drawing) of
the SVG Draw for shapes that are not listed as standard shapes in the
program, I did say that it is possible to draw the shapes in case a user has
enough knowledge of the Cartesian co ordinate system and a good
understanding of the geometries himself to be able to use the SVG Draw
program. We mean the same, i have no disregards to the capabilities of the
SVG Draw program. We all work for the same cause to be helpful to the VI
community hence please excuse me if my mail intended to any one to be harsh
or disregards to the SVG draw question.

I have myself seen the amount of programming that has gone in to the SVG
Draw during my days of work on making a program that can input the Diagrams
into the applications that we use or we need. When i said that one has to be
an expert in geometries i intended to tell that he should be thorough with
the knowledge of Cartesian systems. The first point in the mail did point
out the difficulty in drawing the shapes from the MS word ribbon using a
screen reader, does it mean that there is disregard to Microsoft and other
popular screen readers? I  

Also the mail was not to promote the product that i have worked upon. The
other reply on the same subject did speak about the same thing that i
intended maybe it was  in depth but the meaning was the same, any which ways
i am not writing all this to clear any air, all the mails on the list are
read by many a people and i do not want to get carried away by any opinions
on me.

I am sorry should suffice i guess. Commercial aspect was never in picture
sir.

Kind Regards,

Kiran 

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Baldwin
Sent: 19 January 2013 20:39
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] requesting for procedure regarding svg draw.

Someone wrote:

"I mean if you know your co ordinate system may be then you can draw a few
shapes but I think one has to be an expert in geometries to use svg draw to
draw a shape other than one which is provided."

Correction: The svg draw program can be used to draw any shape that you can
describe by connecting lines to the vertices of the shape in a Cartesian
coordinate system. It can also be used to draw paths and Bezier curves. As a
result, there very few, if any, shapes, graphs, or curves that cannot be
drawn and converted to tactile form using the svg draw program along with an
appropriate embossing tool. One school that I am aware of uses the svg draw
program along with microcapsule paper and a heater to produce physics
diagrams for math and physics students.

And the svg draw program is free.

Dick Baldwin

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Kiran
<Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>wrote:

> Dear raju,
>
> There is nothing wrong in sending this mail to the list I guess. You 
> need not worry about your language too.
>
> Now to answer you, if u are using jaws or NVDA I doubt that even in 
> word one can not draw the shapes in word though they are available as 
> standard shapes under the insert option. Members may correct me If I am
wrong.
> Similarly there are flow chart objects like decision or any other 
> process which can not be inserted in a word file. So in svg draw 
> program there are no ways of creating these other polygons or shapes 
> that you are referring to like the triangle easily, I mean if you know 
> your co ordinate system may be then you can draw a few shapes but I 
> think one has to be an expert in geometries to use svg draw to draw a
shape other than one which is provided.
>
> Alternatively you can look at the following website to learn about a 
> new device that shall cater to all your needs of inputting diagrams.
>
> Www.persiontechnologies.com/Kerria.html
>
> This is a device that shall be a tactile device capable of inputting 
> any shape in a standard word excel, Visio or PowerPoint application 
> without the need of any other application.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Kiran S Deshpande
>
> Director Innovatin & Research
> Innovation Unit,
> Persion technologies pvt ltd.
> Pune
>
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> On 19-Jan-2013, at 10:10 AM, raju singh <bidhwin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >               respected sirs.
> >
> >  i am raju singh, one of the regular reader of blind mailing list, 
> > residing in darjeeling india,  doing b c a.
> > first of all, i would like to apologize  all of you cause i know 
> > that i'm asking such a silly question here. but i hope that i will 
> > be fulfilled with lots of valuable response by you sirs.
> > sir, there is an extra subject called mathematics on our syllebus, 
> > and i'm dealing this subject with less equipment such as neither i 
> > have braille display device, nor i have scientific calculator or 
> > scientific notebook.  i'm using the old tailer frame to calculate, 
> > and spare will to draw the shape on the peace of paper. sighted 
> > friend is doing such an accelent job for me by helping me to draw 
> > the shape with spare will whatever our teacher draw on black board 
> > while giving the lecture regarding mathematic. now, by the 
> > suggestion of this mailing list, i've started to use svg draw and 
> > the voic on my laptop. now i'm wandering that by using this software 
> > how one can draw the any shape, such as triangle, right angled 
> > triangle, parallelogram, or any shape which is not included on the 
> > draw menu regardless of some shape which can be draw by pressing the 
> > keystrokes such as ctrl+r for rect angle,
> > ctrl+l for line,  etc. does we have to learn the svg programming in
> > order to draw the shape which is not included in draw menu? i have 
> > spent few hour reading this .htm file which comes from svg draw 
> > packege which has blunder of instruction for proper use of this 
> > software, but i really could not grasp any thing from there. i even 
> > could not understand the sound language producing by voic for 
> > various shape, but  i'm adjusting myself with voic by spending  of 
> > some leasure hour by listening various in built shape. i had to 
> > write this request cause i read some where in this mailing list that 
> > some one is suggesting that chart can also be drawn by using this
software.
> >
> > sir, i will be very greatful to all, if if you can provide the 
> > tutorial in simpler manner, or audio demonstration of this svg 
> > drawing software, as i believe that this software is our life line!
> >
> > and lastly i would like to conclude this mail that if this mail 
> > seems to have such wrong or undigestable thing, moderator has the 
> > full advantage to remove this threat!
> >
> > your stupid friend, raju.
> >
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