[Blindmath] requesting for procedure regarding svg draw.

Kiran kiran at persiontechnologies.com
Sun Jan 20 21:52:30 UTC 2013 

Dear Baldwin,

It is an excellent understanding of the device just as you have described.
Most of the information is right, the grid of tactile plungers are not just
the picture of the dots, they indeed work in enabling a user use them to
input various shapes in to a desired application. There are five rows of
different standard shapes and visual objects such as the bar charts and the
pie charts, some functions for the mathematical symbols etc, apart from the
standard shapes in first two rows of control panel.

There are numeric keys 0-9 on the fourth row that are helpful in numerical
substitution in the software. There are other standard buttons in the bottom
row that are for the other standard functions like the delete, space bar,
page up, page down, back space and a 4 way navigation keys for  up down left
right actions.

In short they are all put up to be used for all the functionality of the
device. I have come out with the device after analysing a few things with
regards to the visual presentation requirements that a VI person may have,
and hence i have put up as many things as possible for the use in this
device.

I have a small query, does the combination of any of the available
technologies enable a visually impaired person to make a doc file or a power
point presentation slide, with some shapes in it? Can you insert the shape
of an ellipse in a word file? Can a person like raju singh, who is studying
the computer application degree course use screen reader and draw a entire
flow chart in a visio environment? We certainly have programs that can help
us in making the shapes in SVG format but can we import them in a slide of
power point and make a presentation? 

on a separate subject i shall introduce the functionalities in depth. 

Kind regards,

Kiran


-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Baldwin
Sent: 20 January 2013 20:45
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] requesting for procedure regarding svg draw.

Amanda,

The picture of the device looks like a smart phone or a tablet computer
running an application. However, the description that was given in the email
message indicates that it is probably a custom physical device, or at least
some kind of a device that has a tactile surface instead of a screen.

The rectangular working area (screen) is roughly divided into two halves.
The left half is mostly occupied by a rectangular grid of dots. There are
perhaps 20 dots on the vertical and 40 dots on the horizontal. They may
actually be popup pins like in your usb Braille device, or they may simply
be pictures of dots.

The right half of the screen contains an array of buttons or pictures of
buttons. This area is divided vertically into three sub-areas.

The top sub-area contains three rows of buttons having different shapes. It
looks like the top row contains a rectangle, a square, a circle, a line, and
a triangle.

The shapes on the second row are a little hard to make out. It looks like
they may be 2D projections of a couple of boxes 3D boxes with different
dimensions, a couple of pyramids with different dimensions, and a sphere.

I can't make out the shapes in the third row. One looks a little like the
symbol for a bar graph, so they may all represent graphs.

The next sub area going down is divided into two areas. The left area
contains two rows of five round buttons. I can't be sure, but I suspect they
are simply the buttons on a numeric keypad. To the right of that are four
buttons with arrows on the face.

All of the buttons described so far are blue-green in color.

The bottom row of five buttons is red. Going from left to right, they look
like a rectangle, an up-arrow, a down-arrow, another rectangle that is wider
and shorter than the first, and a left-arrow that may have a hook on the
right end.

Many of the buttons appear to have some text printed below the button, but
it isn't legible in the picture.

Parentheses appear to be drawn on the ends of the rows of buttons. These
parentheses appear on the first, second, third, and sixth rows of buttons.
The fourth and fifth rows of buttons are grouped in a single pair of
parentheses.

There is something along the bottom of the screen that looks  like the space
bar on a standard keyboard, but it may just be a picture. About one-third of
the way from the left end, there are four parallel diagonal lines drawn on
the bar with the top of each line closer to the left end of the bar. The
line on the left is dark blue. The line on the right is red.
The two lines in the middle are light blue.

There is some text in the upper and lower corners of the screen that looks
like it may simply be a labels but I can't read it.

I was unable to find anything on the website that explains how the device
works or how the user actually uses it.

The website also list several other devices for blind and VI users.

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Kiran
<Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>wrote:

> Dear Amanda,
>
> Thanks for asking this question. This device is a tactile input device.
> Say a drawing device for the visually challenged people. The device 
> lets users to themselves draw a shape into a standard application such 
> as word, excel, PowerPoint or Visio.
>
> By shape I mean all the standard shapes that a sighted user can draw. 
> It is indeed difficult to draw these shapes in the said applications 
> with the help of a screen reader even today. Hence this device was 
> made. This device will take all necessary details from you in the form 
> of tactile keys and draw the shape into desired application without 
> the need of opening that application. Also the user here need not be 
> required to be too knowledgeable about Cartesian co ordinate system or
geometry.
>
> Meaning that if one were to draw a triangle (right angled), on the 
> device has a triangle shape symbol displayed in 3d so that the user 
> may himself feel, then the user shall use the tactile control panel to 
> enter the vertices. And that's it the shape shall automatically be 
> drawn into a word file after which the user can copy paste the shape any
where he wants.
>
> This input device is a subset of the tactile display which further 
> helps the user in comprehending the diagrams shapes in a tactile way. 
> It can also directly show the existing shapes if any in your word or 
> excel files on the tactile display. There is some small amount of work 
> left before I can share more details about the tactile display on the
list.
>
> How the device works can be explained in detail if in case required by 
> any one on their personal emails.
>
>
> Kiran S Deshpande
>
>
>
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> On 20-Jan-2013, at 3:13 AM, "Amanda Lacy" <lacy925 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is this new device exactly? Is it a tablet? The description is
> unclear.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kiran" <
> Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>
> > To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics" <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] requesting for procedure regarding svg draw.
> >
> >
> >> Dear raju,
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong in sending this mail to the list I guess. 
> >> You
> need not worry about your language too.
> >>
> >> Now to answer you, if u are using jaws or NVDA I doubt that even in
> word one can not draw the shapes in word though they are available as 
> standard shapes under the insert option. Members may correct me If I 
> am wrong. Similarly there are flow chart objects like decision or any 
> other process which can not be inserted in a word file. So in svg draw 
> program there are no ways of creating these other polygons or shapes 
> that you are referring to like the triangle easily, I mean if you know 
> your co ordinate system may be then you can draw a few shapes but I 
> think one has to be an expert in geometries to use svg draw to draw a 
> shape other than one which is provided.
> >>
> >> Alternatively you can look at the following website to learn about 
> >> a
> new device that shall cater to all your needs of inputting diagrams.
> >>
> >> Www.persiontechnologies.com/Kerria.html
> >>
> >> This is a device that shall be a tactile device capable of 
> >> inputting
> any shape in a standard word excel, Visio or PowerPoint application 
> without the need of any other application.
> >>
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Kiran S Deshpande
> >>
> >> Director Innovatin & Research
> >> Innovation Unit,
> >> Persion technologies pvt ltd.
> >> Pune
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> On 19-Jan-2013, at 10:10 AM, raju singh <bidhwin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>              respected sirs.
> >>>
> >>> i am raju singh, one of the regular reader of blind mailing list, 
> >>> residing in darjeeling india,  doing b c a.
> >>> first of all, i would like to apologize  all of you cause i know 
> >>> that i'm asking such a silly question here. but i hope that i will 
> >>> be fulfilled with lots of valuable response by you sirs.
> >>> sir, there is an extra subject called mathematics on our syllebus, 
> >>> and i'm dealing this subject with less equipment such as neither i 
> >>> have braille display device, nor i have scientific calculator or 
> >>> scientific notebook.  i'm using the old tailer frame to calculate, 
> >>> and spare will to draw the shape on the peace of paper. sighted 
> >>> friend is doing such an accelent job for me by helping me to draw 
> >>> the shape with spare will whatever our teacher draw on black board 
> >>> while giving the lecture regarding mathematic. now, by the 
> >>> suggestion of this mailing list, i've started to use svg draw and 
> >>> the voic on my laptop. now i'm wandering that by using this 
> >>> software how one can draw the any shape, such as triangle, right 
> >>> angled triangle, parallelogram, or any shape which is not included 
> >>> on the draw menu regardless of some shape which can be draw by 
> >>> pressing the keystrokes such as ctrl+r for rect angle,
> >>> ctrl+l for line,  etc. does we have to learn the svg programming 
> >>> ctrl+in
> >>> order to draw the shape which is not included in draw menu? i have 
> >>> spent few hour reading this .htm file which comes from svg draw 
> >>> packege which has blunder of instruction for proper use of this 
> >>> software, but i really could not grasp any thing from there. i 
> >>> even could not understand the sound language producing by voic for 
> >>> various shape, but  i'm adjusting myself with voic by spending  of 
> >>> some leasure hour by listening various in built shape. i had to 
> >>> write this request cause i read some where in this mailing list 
> >>> that some one is suggesting that chart can also be drawn by using this
software.
> >>>
> >>> sir, i will be very greatful to all, if if you can provide the 
> >>> tutorial in simpler manner, or audio demonstration of this svg 
> >>> drawing software, as i believe that this software is our life line!
> >>>
> >>> and lastly i would like to conclude this mail that if this mail 
> >>> seems to have such wrong or undigestable thing, moderator has the 
> >>> full advantage to remove this threat!
> >>>
> >>> your stupid friend, raju.
> >>>
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