[Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question

Lewicki, Maureen mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org
Tue Oct 1 21:25:42 UTC 2013


Interesting, Louis. My students use the Apex for most of their work, except hard copies for foreign language and math. I was told the update handles Nemith, but to what degree I did not want to experiment with at this point. As it is one student does enter her answers for math into the Apex, and she says she uses some computer braille so that it prints out correctly for her teacher. 

I am sure it will be eventually possible for my student to get these docs without the middleman of a person who enters it into Math type, Duxbury, then embosses, but we have a ways to go, and as I said, techie I am not...a plodder, I am and I can be taught!

Maureen Murphy Lewicki
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-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Louis Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 5:18 PM
To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question

Hi. This is interesting that you bring this up. I actually have a program running on the Braille Sense that explains addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, long-division, step-by-step as well as presents the steps in Nemeth Code. It also has other features, and will soon be cross-platform.
I'm planning to also have the program present the steps and equations to a sighted user using proper notation. It will also soon have a guided mode and a test mode which each part of the problem is presented to the user and all the user has to do is answer questions. The application will take care of the format and presentation to blind and sighted users itself.
I've actually wrote this app in a programming language I made up that takes care of translating anything sent to it into C++ code.
The language is also portable across platforms so this same script can just be re-translated later.
I'd definitely be interested in working with someone on this, either for other platforms, to talk about standards, or even print symbols used on the computer for writing and solving equations. Help could also be used by describing the types of problems you wish to see done, and your version step-by-step on how to do them.
If anyone wants to see what I've done, I'd be happy to send you a beta program or even just do a podcast. Other platforms will be coming soon! I've been working on this for about 7 months now.
Best, Louis

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question

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> I'm currently investigating software that would allow a blind person to enter an equation, and have the computer solve it for them ... in case they didn't know how to do it.
> The goal is to output to a multi-line window so the braille display can be used to peruse the solution line by line and see the exact solution .. how it was arrived at.
> The software would first calculate the intermediate answer, then translate it to braille, and then send it the display.
> I would also like to see the software translate it back to a solution that the sighted teacher can handle.
> This is not a trivial application .. it's certainly taking a lot of work on my part.
> It doesn't even use LaTex which I hear everyone talking about.
> But the goal is to:
> 1. have the teacher give the student the homework in a file in the teachers format.
> 2. The blind student gets it, pulls up the file, and the problem is output in Braille to the display with a set of standard symbols (whatever the standard is).
> Functions could be output as ... "sin", "cos", "tan", "ln", "log" "abs", etc ... and then you'd likely have to have special symbols for integration, derivation, etc ...
> 3. As I say, the software should present the problem to the student, and allow him to try to solve it, or have the program solve the problem for him if he or she just can't do it.
> 4. And, then back-translate to Word or other format that the teacher can just be given the answer file and pull it up and see the answer.
>  
> Anyway, that's whyI say there should be a standard.  If there was, then a lot of people could work on such software.
> At this point, i have a program where you can submit a problem such as => (3+2)*5-singg30(+1 ... and the program will calculate the answer.  It doesn't do step-by step yet.
>  
> So that's why I say what I say.
>  
>  
> > CC: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > From: sabra1023 at gmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:42:33 com0500
> > To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question
> > 
> > There are very few blind people who know about math, and blind people haven't been doing high-levelacademic pursuits with their sighted counterparts for very long. Because of this, there simply isn't enough research to know which standards would benefit the entire population. Maybe, you could do some of this research and get back to us with the results.
> > 
> > > On Oct 1, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I find it interesting that (apparently .. if I'm reading the replies correctly) that two different people use different methods to represent the same information. Not that someone couldn't do that, but it would seem logical to have one accepted and approved set of Braille characters to represent a certain piece of information. Then, if everyone saved to that syntax, you could have a universal standard program that could then translate and print it out for the benefit of a sighted teacher who didn't understand the Braille code.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm all about standards ... it just makes life easier when you want to leverage information.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> CC: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > >> From: sabra1023 at gmail.com
> > >> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 16:54:17 com0500
> > >> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question
> > >> 
> > >> I don't use superscripts at all. They are confusing for me to read, and I show my work and math for my benefit as well as the teachers. I use parentheses if there are problems with clarification.
> > >> 
> > >>> On Sep 26, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Wilson_KC <Wilson_KC at asdk12.org> wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Thanks for that info, Daniel. We'll give it a try. kc
> > >>> 
> > >>> ________________________________________
> > >>> From: Blindmath [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of 
> > >>> Daniel [danielgillen at rcn.com]
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:07 PM
> > >>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question
> > >>> 
> > >>> Dear list,
> > >>> 
> > >>> I am Daniel Gillen, a college student majoring in physics who is 
> > >>> a power user of the Apex. For the longest time, I've known that 
> > >>> one needs to be in 8-dot Computer Braille to take advantage of 
> > >>> the various plain-text and extended Unicode characters.
> > >>> Hence, the caret (or beginning of superscript material) is most 
> > >>> efficiently written in 8-dot Computer Braille using dot 7
> > >>> (backspace) together with dots 4-5. The way in 6-dot mode is to 
> > >>> first press space with U (U for uppercase), and then dots 4-5.
> > >>> The option to switch to 8-dot mode is in Braille Options under 
> > >>> the Options Menu.
> > >>> (Just as a side note: I find it convenient to use the tilde 
> > >>> character for the beginning of a square-root expression. With 
> > >>> that, I would end all superscript material or material under the 
> > >>> radical sign that has additional text on the base line with a 
> > >>> double-quote mark.) I hope this was helpful. As I've been a 
> > >>> member of the BlMath listserv for quite some time, I could help 
> > >>> anyone with such questions as this.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Thank you,
> > >>> Daniel
> > >>> 
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Wilson_KC <Wilson_KC at asdk12.org
> > >>> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 
> > >>> 26 Sep 2013 17:57:17 +0000
> > >>> Subject: [Blindmath] superscript on an APEX question
> > >>> 
> > >>> My student is in a Text Document on her APEX doing math problems 
> > >>> in Nemeth. When she puts in dots 4,5 to produce an up arrow for 
> > >>> a superscript, she gets a tilde instead. Do you know what she's 
> > >>> doing wrong?
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