[Blindmath] IOS7 and math support

[Kevin Fjelsted]

If you don't set the page to MathML you will hear the equations but they are not being translated. You are just hearing the Alt-Tag representations.

I didn't experience any of the freezing that you mentioned.
-Kevin
 
On Oct 4, 2013, at 11:48 PM, Susan Osterhaus <osterhauss at tsbvi.edu> wrote:

> Warning! Kevin, thanks for the link. However, if you have upgraded to iOS
> 7, I would advise against setting the render to MathML. I tried that, and
> a window appeared asking me if I really wanted to do that and asked me to
> select Cancel or OK. The window froze on top of the webpage and would not
> respond to either Cancel or OK. Closing Safari and reopening it did
> nothing, as the window just froze everything. I had to reboot my iPad to
> get rid of it. I think this is an iOS 7 bug, as it has already done other
> strange things to me. However, if you don't attempt to change the
> rendering, VoiceOver will read the math. I don't like the way it read the
> math, and it often substituted minus, minus, minus,... but at least it
> made an attempt. I'd very much like to know if it reads simpler math more
> easily or if it does a worse job. I also was unable to do any navigation
> on the math on this webpage following Michael's instructions. Michael,
> could you give us the webpage that you were successful in using?
> 
> Susan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Fjelsted
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 6:51 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] IOS7 and math support
> 
> To see an example set of equations and try them with IOS voiceover go to
> http://www.mathjax.org/demos/mathml-samples/ and set the render to MathML.
> -Kevin
> 
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I remember a brief comment recently about the math support in VoiceOver
> in IOS7.
>> 
>> I have just taken a quick look at some of it.
>> 
>> My main interest is in accessibility of reading math, thus I have only
> looked at that side of things.
>> 
>> I viewed a page with some maths in MathML in Safari. VoiceOver read the
> equations fine and allowed one to explore the equations bit by bit. When
> flicking left and right, it appears an equation is a single object and
> voiceover reads the entire equation. However once you are on the equation,
> you may double tap it and go down a level to explore parts of the
> fraction, and each part may be double tapped to decend another level. An
> alternative way to explore the equation is that in the rotor you will find
> options for size of parts of the equation to navigate by if flicking up
> and down.
>> 
>> I tried with my Braille display connected to see what Braille output
> would be produced and the output was in Nemeth. I am not an expert in
> Nemeth and I have only done some limited testing, but the Nemeth did look
> correct to me.
>> 
>> While I have not tried Nemeth input, one would hope that with all the
> above math accessibility that may be the Nemeth input might be back
> translation and MathML would be inserted. Quite where one might insert
> math on an IOS device I am not sure (IE. can you enter it in any edit box
> or must it be a math enabled one).
>> 
>> Other things I have not tested is math accessibility in any other apps,
> I do not know whether this is going to be limited to Safari and any apps
> using the standard web browser control.
>> 
>> Also assuming the Nemeth input does result in a proper equation, I do
> not know what the option is for math input for those without a Braille
> keyboard.
>> 
>> Providing this support works as well on other equations other than the
> limited ones I have tried it with, this certainly seems a step forward for
> math accessibility.
>> 
>> Michael Whapples
>> 
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