[Blindmath] IOS7 and math support

Mon Oct 7 13:18:13 UTC 2013

Looks like I'm adding a new task to my list of things to do.  I'll see if I can produce a generic statistics formula sheet in iBooks Author and see if it's read.  I'll report back what I find.  

And if the formula sheet is useful I'll publish it to iTunes for others to find.

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Sean R. Tikkun
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Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:52 AM, Andrew Stacey <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no> wrote:
> 
> I don't know anything about how accessibility in iBooks works so can't offer
> any help other than to say that if there are some rules to follow that would
> make it work then I'd be happy to integrate them into my class.
> 
> Unfortunately, I find producing ePub3 for iBooks somewhat hit and miss.
> I would really like some tool like firebug where I could tweak things on the
> device and see the effects in real time.  Continually editing and reloading
> the file takes too long to be practical.  If there were some proper guide then
> that would help matters considerably.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:32:19PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
>> I have only looked at the second ePub, wanting something shorter.
>> Unfortunately that does not seem to yield math accessibility like I
>> was able to experience in safari (IE. no Nemeth, no exploring of
>> equations, etc, about all VoiceOver was finding was a few
>> characters).
>> 
>> That second one was very much matrices so that is why I specified it
>> was only the second one I tried. However my feeling is that may be
>> there will not be the same accessibility as the content control for
>> showing the book page in IBooks does not have the same sort of
>> navigation with VoiceOver as one has in safari.
>> 
>> I have sent an email to Apple accessibility asking whether the maths
>> accessibility does extend to other apps such as IBooks, I await
>> their reply.
>> 
>> It will be a shame if IBooks really does not have the same math
>> accessibility as I have found in safari, iBooks might have been a
>> platform which authors/publishers might have been willing to use to
>> make books accessible.
>> 
>> Michael Whapples
>>> On 06/10/2013 21:05, Andrew Stacey wrote:
>>> I have some ePub3s with MathML in them if anyone would like to use them to try
>>> out iBooks' accessibility.
>>> 
>>> This one is quite long, and the maths is graduate-level:
>>> 
>>> http://www.math.ntnu.no/~stacey/documents/diffloop.epub
>>> 
>>> This one is about quaternions (aimed at graphical programmers):
>>> 
>>> http://www.math.ntnu.no/~stacey/documents/Quaternion.epub
>>> 
>>> This one is about shaders in OpenGL programming (but still has some maths in
>>> it):
>>> 
>>> http://www.math.ntnu.no/~stacey/documents/Shaders.epub
>>> 
>>> I create these from LaTeX source using a class that I've developed for
>>> converting LaTeX documents into XHTML or ePub3 so I can make webpages, PDFs,
>>> and ePub3s from the same source code.  The fact that iBooks has (some) support
>>> for MathML was one of the reasons why I developed this.
>>> 
>>> Andrew Stacey
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:08:40PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
>>>> If you have an ePub with MathML, then I believe you can just load
>>>> that into IBooks. Load it into IBooks either by using iTunes data
>>>> sharing or may be simpler attach it to an email and send it to
>>>> yourself, and open the attachment using the IOS device and use the
>>>> button for "Open in IBooks".
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately I do not have an ePub with MathML content to try this,
>>>> but I do hope that the math support extends to IBooks and that
>>>> authors do use MathML when inserting math into ePub files.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Whapples
>>>>> On 05/10/2013 19:47, Kevin Fjelsted wrote:
>>>>> Are there any iBook EPub applications that we can see as samples for Nemeth presentation on IOS?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Kevin
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 1:13 PM, Ed Summers <Ed.Summers at sas.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Neil, The math on that page did not display correctly on my iPad running iOS 7.0.2.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe iOS7 does a good job with presentation MathML in Safari and iBooks. Check out this very simple test page from W3C:
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Math/XSL/pmathml2.xml
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are a few features of this new support that should be noted:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is a multimodal experience that supports Nemeth, spoken math, and  support for low vision users. This support is tightly integrated so a user can read with their fingers, eyes and ears at the same time. I think there are two very powerful consequences:
>>>>>> 1 - it is an easy way to learn Nemeth code.
>>>>>> 2 - it is a nice way for a sighted general ed math teacher to work with students with visual impairments, i.e. the general ed math teacher does not have to know the Nemeth code.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To see this behavior in action:
>>>>>> Turn on Voiceover on your iOS device.
>>>>>> Connect a braille display.
>>>>>> Open the url above in Safari.
>>>>>> Move the VO cursor to an equation on that page.
>>>>>> Observe that VO reads the equation using speech and displays it on the braille display.
>>>>>> Play with the rotor and note that you can read the equation by symbol, small expresions, large expressions, etc.
>>>>>> Activate the equation with a double tap, 3-6-chord, etc and view the equation in full screen mode.
>>>>>> Move through the equation using the VO cursor and drill down on an expression or term to view it alone in full screen mode.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 11:47 AM, "Neil Soiffer" <NeilS at dessci.com<mailto:NeilS at dessci.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you want some simple math to try out, take a look at the site
>>>>>> onemathematicalcat.org<http://onemathematicalcat.org>.  It has alg 1, alg 2, and geometry.  Susan said she
>>>>>> had problems there but she had IOS 7 problems.  Hopefully others will have
>>>>>> more success.  Here's a sample page with some simple fractions and powers:
>>>>>> http://www.onemathematicalcat.org/algebra_book/online_problems/el_recip.htm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Neil Soiffer
>>>>>> Senior Scientist
>>>>>> Design Science, Inc.
>>>>>> www.dessci.com<http://www.dessci.com>
>>>>>> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
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