[Blindmath] Susan Question on Graphing Calculators

Thu Mar 6 03:01:31 UTC 2014

Hi Sabra,

I'm going to zero in on your statement: So if I could see one without
buying it and I liked it, I would try to get one. That's what I was really
trying to get Amber to do. While still in high school, she could get her
hands on one, try it out, and find out if she liked it or not. Then if she
did like it, she could figure out how to get one.

Susan

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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Susan Question on Graphing Calculators

Yes, the school will keep it. As for Dars purchasing one, it has to make
their approved products list before they do it, and it could be difficult
because that Calculator isn't technology they routinely purchase for their
clients. Four a piece of blindness technology, the calculator isn't that
expensive, and if your son was able to get a scholarship for even $1000,
he could purchase the calculator himself without having to deal with any
agency or anything. He would even have several hundred dollars left over
afterwards. I've never used one of the new ones, so I don't know if there
any good. There was this one on the computer called the audio graphing
calculator that I used at one point, and everyone was saying it was great,
but I thought it was primitive and difficult to use compared to what my
cited had. Now, I just go without one. Graphs really don't mean much to me
anyways, so I get a lot more information from equations and tables of
values. I do like the audio pgraphs better than the tactile ones assuming
I can get the calculator to graph what I want without bringing up in error
or graphing the wrong equation, So if I could see one without buying it
and I liked it, I would try to get one.

> On Mar 5, 2014, at 6:02 PM, Susan Osterhaus <osterhauss at tsbvi.edu>
wrote:
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> As I replied to Amber privately:
>
> If the school is keeping all of your technology after you are finished
> in May, they will probably need to keep the Orion TI-84+ as well.
> However, you would have had a chance to learn how to use it and put
> forth a better argument to appeal to your local Commission for the
> Blind or whatever agency is in your area that assists adults who are
> blind pursue a career, including extending their education. For
> example, here in Texas, college students can ask their DARS caseworker
> to purchase one in order for them to be successful in taking their
> college math classes and possibly for on the job if their career
> requires such a tool. Showing them that you already know how to use
> one and are already using it in your high school math class would be a
big plus I would think.
>
> There has been a great demand for these calculators, and many have had
> to wait on a back ordered list, so you REALLY want to hurry up and get
> on this list if you expect to even get one in your hands before the
> school year is over.
>
> All the calculators and other technology that we purchase from APH on
> federal quota funds (or otherwise) at TSBVI are retained by the school
> after the student graduates so that they can be used for current and
> future students. I believe that this is the practice for other
> districts/schools in Texas and other states, but I could be wrong.
>
> However, according to the Ex Officio Trustee Handbook:
>
> Retention and Disposal of APH Products Purchased with Federal Quota
> Funds APH products purchased with Federal Quota funds remain the
> property of the respective Federal Quota account and the
> responsibility of the Ex Officio Trustee.
>
> Products purchased with Federal Quota funds revert to the inventory of
> the Federal Quota account when students exit instructional programs or
> no longer need them.
>
> It is the responsibility of the Ex Officio Trustee to discard outdated
> or unusable products purchased with Federal Quota funds.
>
> In order to better leverage federal funds, products purchased with
> Federal Quota funds may be loaned to other Federal Quota accounts.
>
> If someone from APH, like Ken perhaps, knows otherwise, I would
> appreciate a clarification.
>
> Thanks for asking Mary.
> Susan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mary Woodyard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 6:20 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] Susan Question on Graphing Calculators
>
> My son also uses The TI 84 audio Graphing Calculator which was
> purchased for him by the school. My question for Susan is this based
> on her comment to the senior to have the school purchase a calculator
> for her with Quota funds.
> If the school purchases the calculator this way, does the calculator
> stay with the school when the student graduates or is it the student's
> to take to college?
>
> Mary Woodyard
>
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>   1. audio graphing calculator (Amber Kraft)
>   2. Re: audio graphing calculator (Ken Perry)
>   3. Re: audio graphing calculator (Bente)
>   4. Re: audio graphing calculator (hpscheffer at aol.com)
>   5. Re: audio graphing calculator (Susan Osterhaus)
>   6. Re: audio graphing calculator (Ken Perry)
>   7. Re: audio graphing calculator (Lewicki, Maureen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:25:22 -0600
> From: Amber Kraft <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
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> Good morning,
>    At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready
> for college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is
> an audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use
> one very little and the one I  used was on the computer with JAWS, so
> I was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:47:45 -0500
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
> Message-ID: <001301cf37c1$16d4e2e0$447ea8a0$@blinksoft.com>
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> The only hand held Audio graphing Calculator that I know of is the
> Orion
> TI-84 Plus you can find info at APH's web site.  www.aph.org .  The
> calculator's web site is www.aph.org/orion  and if you go to the
> resources page there are mp3 and video demo's.  You do not need to be
> sited to watch the videos.
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Amber Kraft
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:25 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
>
> Good morning,
>    At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready
> for college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is
> an audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use
> one very little and the one I  used was on the computer with JAWS, so
> I was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
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> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:48:05 -0500 (EST)
> From: Bente <bente at casilenc.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
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> TI-84 Orion.  Pricey, but it is worth it, especially since you can use
> it all through college
>
> Bente Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Disability Support Services
> Wake Technical Community College
> Raleigh, NC
>
>>> On March 4, 2014 at 10:25 AM Amber Kraft <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good morning,
>> At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready for
>> college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is an
>> audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use one
>> very little and the one I used was on the computer with JAWS, so I
>> was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
>> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Amber Kraft
>> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 11:02:18 -0500 (EST)
> From: hpscheffer at aol.com
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
> Message-ID: <8D105DA407DB580-2BC4-2034 at webmail-m282.sysops.aol.com>
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> My daughter's TVI got one from APH with the state quota. If you have a
> TVI they can help with the order, or your special education department
> from your school district could do that as well, you have to get
> through APH and it should be free. The only one available is the Orion
TI-84 Plus.
> Here is a review from an 8th grader
>
>
>
> Student Review of the Orion TI-84Plus Talking Graphing Calculator By
> Jordan Hello. My name is Jordan. I am amiddle-school student and am in
> the 8th grade. I am in a Math 1class, which means that it?s time to
> pull out the graphing calculators.Luckily, when this time came for me,
> I was already prepared with my Orion TI-84Plus talking graphing
> calculator which my VI teacher, Nita, had given me.
>
> The device is made by Orion and Texas Instruments,who made the
> original graphing calculators. This specific calculator, however,is
> called the ?Orion? calculator because it is able to speak to me and
> tell mewhat buttons I?m pressing and the points I?ve plotted. What
> makes thiscalculator unique is that in addition to the regular
> graphing calculator keys,there is a special set of 10 keys on the top
> of it called the Orion keys. Thesekeys help you perform certain
> functions on the calculator such as going to thePreferences menu and
> repeating the playback of certain equations.
>
> The way that the Orion TI-84 Plus calculatorgraphs is unique and very
> convenient. Basically, it uses tones to describe theline or the point
> I?ve plotted on a graph. Although this is helpful, it can bea bit
> confusing when you?re trying to find a specific point on a line or
> theintersection of a linear equation. In this case, you?d switch to
> ?speech? mode,which will then tell you each point on the line as you
> navigate along it usingthe arrow keys. It will also tell you the
> intersection of a linear equationwhen you do the usual ?Graph?,
?Second?, and ?Trace? process.
> Also, thanks to aspecial tool that is not limited to the Orion TI-84
> Plus calculator, I can havemy graphs show up on my computer screen and
> am able to send them using email.
>
> Besides graphing, whether on an Orion or anormal calculator, you can
> set programs, use applications, and do various otherthings.
> Overall, I think this calculator is veryuseful. I?m able to easily
> plot lines and linear equations, as well as dosimple things like add
> and subtract. The speech is helpful, of course, and thetones are
> accommodating when wondering what a line looks like on the screen.
> Idon?t think that there should be anything changed, except for the
> fact that itmay occasionally freeze. To solve this problem, the user
> has to reset thecalculator by holding the ?Control? and ?Function?
> keys which are particular tothe Orion device. Besides this, I don?t
> see any flaws and don?t see why a blindstudent who is either in high
> school or 8th grade should not haveone of these to use in their
classroom and at home.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amber Kraft <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:26 am
> Subject: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
>
>
> Good morning,
>    At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready
> for college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is
> an audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use
> one very little and the one I  used was on the computer with JAWS, so
> I was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 10:42:19 -0600
> From: Susan Osterhaus <osterhauss at tsbvi.edu>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Amber Kraft <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
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> Amber,
>
> Yes to the Orion TI-84+ Talking Graphing Calculator, and as a senior
> in high school, you are still eligible to have your TVI order one from
> APH on federal quota money. Act quickly.
>
> Susan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bente
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:48 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
>
> TI-84 Orion.  Pricey, but it is worth it, especially since you can use
> it all through college
>
> Bente Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Disability Support Services
> Wake Technical Community College
> Raleigh, NC
>
>>> On March 4, 2014 at 10:25 AM Amber Kraft <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good morning,
>> At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready for
>> college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is an
>> audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use one
>> very little and the one I used was on the computer with JAWS, so I
>> was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
>> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Amber Kraft
>> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>>
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> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 12:44:45 -0500
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
>    <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
> Message-ID: <000b01cf37d1$6f903cd0$4eb0b670$@blinksoft.com>
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> Amber I also wanted to mention since I didn't when I posted a response
> to your query about hand held calculators, I work for APH and I am the
> project Lead for APH on the Orion TI-84 Plus.  With that said I am not
> really advertising when I say it is the only hand held one.  I am also
> 100% blind and have wanted this thing for almost 20 years.
>  We continue to improve the access on the Orion TI-84 Plus and we ask
> students like yourself to join the beta list and contribute in giving
> us ideas of how to make it better.
>
> If you want to talk to me about it feel free to give me a call at
> (502) 899-2336.  There are also people like Susan who has also posted
> that can give you a great over view of how the calculator works and
> there are a few of our experts and original beta testers on this list.
> So if you have questions you can continue to ask them here and one of us
will grab them.
> I just didn't want people to think I was using this list as an
> advertising place.  If there are other devices I just don't know of
> them and I have looked.
>
> If you want to join the Orion TI-84 Plus user list you can subscribe
> to it at Gc-subscribe at tech.aph.org
>
> You can put subscribe in the subject and body so the spam filters
> don't stop it from coming through.  I am sure there are people that
> can help you there to.
>
> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Amber Kraft
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:25 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
>
> Good morning,
>    At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready
> for college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is
> an audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use
> one very little and the one I  used was on the computer with JAWS, so
> I was wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I
> was hoping to get a handheld one.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
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> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 11:45:06 +0000
> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
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> What is the best or easiest way to produce graphics? My student is
> starting a unit on rotations, etc of geometric shapes. Using the aph
> mat is good for instructional, but the classroom teacher is going to
> plow through the diagrams MUCH faster than I can set them up. I always
> feel like Lucille Ball when the candy conveyor belt got out of control.
>
> I have microsoft paint, a tiger embosser, romeo, a PIAF, quick tac,
> excel, etc.
>
> I have used wiki stixs, and aph graph paper, but these are difficult
> for a student to read, and the wiki stix don't travel in a backpack too
well.
>
> The worksheets I am given are pdf screen shots of used and re used
> worksheets, so to enlarge and PIAF is not an option, unless I can get
> them to look crisp.
>
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> 700 Delaware Avenue
> Delmar, NY 12054
> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 11:43 AM, "Susan Osterhaus"
> <osterhauss at tsbvi.edu<mailto:osterhauss at tsbvi.edu>> wrote:
>
> Amber,
>
> Yes to the Orion TI-84+ Talking Graphing Calculator, and as a senior
> in high school, you are still eligible to have your TVI order one from
> APH on federal quota money. Act quickly.
>
> Susan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Bente
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:48 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] audio graphing calculator
>
> TI-84 Orion.  Pricey, but it is worth it, especially since you can use
> it all through college
>
> Bente Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Disability Support Services
> Wake Technical Community College
> Raleigh, NC
>
> On March 4, 2014 at 10:25 AM Amber Kraft
> <amber.r.kraft at gmail.com<mailto:amber.r.kraft at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> Good morning,
> At this time I am a senior in High school and I am getting ready for
> college. I know one thing I will be needing in college for math is an
> audio graphing calculator. as of right now I have only had to use one
> very little and the one I used was on the computer with JAWS, so I was
> wondering what audio graphing calculators would be the best? I was
> hoping to get a handheld one.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
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