[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 92, Issue 12

[Marianne Hewitt Robbins]

I am a blind person and instructor. 

I have found  Math window tactile tools by Wolf Products to be an effective, low-tech, reasonably priced hands-on learning/teaching tool.


There is a basic math kit with add-on for algebra. There is a separate geometry kit which includes a means to understand and manipulate graphs.

The kits are created in several versions- for blind braille users as well as for those who can utilize large print.

The braille version is also marked with print for assistants who may not be braille readers.

here's a link:
http://www.mathwindow.com

Once on the page, you can click to read details about the various kits.
 
Paula Wolf is the owner - She is incredibly pleasant and helpful. Here is her contact info:
Wolf Products, Inc. 106 Purvis Rd. Butler, PA 16001
Phone: (724) 285-5428 Fax: (413) 208-9042
Email: wolfproducts at mathwindow.com

Another consideration would be whether your student has been introduced to nemeth braille code.  This would be an invaluable tool for any blind student who is able to learn braille.  Humanware's Apex has a thorough Nemeth Braille tutorial course as well as new Nemeth features which make it possible for the student to do work on the device in Braille, then convert and submit the work to a sighted instructor. I have used this in my own math studies and am really pleased. 

Best of luck to you and your student.

Marianne Hewitt Robbins
MariannI ameRobbins2011 at comcast.net
"Love is an Action Word."


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>   3. Re: help (Bhavya shah)
>   4. Re: help (Bhavya shah)
>   5. Re: help (hpscheffer at aol.com)
>   6. Re: help (John Gardner)
>   7. Re: help (Lewicki, Maureen)
>   8. Re: help (Pranav Lal)
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>  12. Re: help (Arielle Silverman)
>  13. Re: help (Lewicki, Maureen)
>  14. Re: help (Susan Mooney)
>  15. Re: help (Susan Mooney)
>  16. Re: help (M Lakhani)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:00:32 +0000
> From: Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at LaDelta.edu>
> To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID:
> 	<F90B01D76B1FBF44A0EC8114AEA283D707417B4F at EXCHANGE.LaDelta.edu>
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> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs, and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:24:16 -0700
> From: "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID: <008001cf3d3d$f7b000c0$e7100240$@orst.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with that
> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile graphics,
> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss with
> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some equipment
> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if there
> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
> ViewPlus.
> 
> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd like
> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs only
> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
> 
> John Gardner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
> Dietle
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it
> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position
> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs,
> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how
> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
> volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't
> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our
> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your
> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:01:18 +0530
> From: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID:
> 	<CACHadJ1To68SUyktGMsUkZC+goWDG2ykRGP2StBgo71CaEE5oQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> I am quite sure that the student must be having swell line
> paper/sheets and a blind's geometry box. Ask him to bring both of
> these and draw with preferably a pen and apply pressure on the swell
> line paper so that the diagram becomes embossed/tactile. He will then
> read it and after analysis and solving will be able to verbally or by
> diagram give you the answer.
> Please try to give your student alternative questions for extremely
> graphical or visual questions.
> 
> On 3/11/14, Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at ladelta.edu> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it
>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position
>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>> 
>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs,
>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how
>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>> 
>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>> volunteered.
>> 
>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't
>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>> 
>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our
>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Attention Students-
>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your
>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>> 
>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>> 318-345-9152
>> Fax 318-345-9087
>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:04:58 +0530
> From: Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID:
> 	<CACHadJ2+BfBUQCgadU9bGAW47wXx8fc_YbpBm=eOQtfqSx_LhQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> For audio description of graphs use softwares like Maths Trax from
> NASA or Audio Graphing Calculator from View Plus Technologies.
> I also agree that you should have a conversation with your student and
> ask him if he would prefer tactile version of thee test, audio version
> or alternative question [whichever both you and he is comfortable
> with].
> Hope that helps.
> 
> On 3/11/14, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am quite sure that the student must be having swell line
>> paper/sheets and a blind's geometry box. Ask him to bring both of
>> these and draw with preferably a pen and apply pressure on the swell
>> line paper so that the diagram becomes embossed/tactile. He will then
>> read it and after analysis and solving will be able to verbally or by
>> diagram give you the answer.
>> Please try to give your student alternative questions for extremely
>> graphical or visual questions.
>> 
>> On 3/11/14, Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at ladelta.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>>> it
>>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>>> position
>>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>>> 
>>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>>> graphs,
>>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>>> how
>>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>>> 
>>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>>> volunteered.
>>> 
>>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>>> don't
>>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>>> 
>>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>>> our
>>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Attention Students-
>>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
>>> your
>>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>>> 
>>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>>> 318-345-9152
>>> Fax 318-345-9087
>>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>>> 
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
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>>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
>>> herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the
>>> person
>>> responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified
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>>> this
>>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hpscheffer at aol.com
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID: <8D10B5A0CA33803-1E6C-31D05 at webmail-m231.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello Sandy,
> 
> 
> I'm the mother of an 8th grader, she is taking Math 1 and it seems that is the case with your student?. As someone else said, if he has not been doing graphs yet, starting with tests is a bit late. May be some more background would be good to know so we can all help you the right way.
> 
> 
> There is many resources we could pass along. It would not be fair to read him the graphs, he should have them available in a  tactile sheet. Your school system should have a special education department, and they should have the tests accessible to him, that is the law. If you are a VI teacher, you can get products from APH, from your State quota. 
> 
> 
> Again, there are many resources, but not sure which way to steer you in.
> 
> 
> Heidi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at LaDelta.edu>
> To: blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 10:02 am
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> 
> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it 
> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position a 
> little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read the 
> test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs, and 
> axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how to read 
> this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for this student?  
> Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't have 
> the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our 
> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your 
> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
> 
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments may 
> contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:00:30 -0700
> From: "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID: <00bd01cf3d43$070cb450$15261cf0$@orst.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Comments on audio graphing.  As the person who created the ViewPlus audio
> graphing calculator (AGC) many years ago, I have a lot of personal
> experience as well as a lot of user feedback.  Audio graphing is terrific
> for "viewing" a single x-y graph.  The AGC also has a graph subtraction
> feature that lets you view the difference between two graphs so that one can
> find intersections.  My caveat is that the user really needs to understand
> graphing first, so a user should start with learning graphing by using
> tactile or audio tactile methods and then, as a power user, can save lots of
> time with audio graphing.
> 
> John Gardner
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bhavya
> shah
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> 
> For audio description of graphs use softwares like Maths Trax from
> NASA or Audio Graphing Calculator from View Plus Technologies.
> I also agree that you should have a conversation with your student and
> ask him if he would prefer tactile version of thee test, audio version
> or alternative question [whichever both you and he is comfortable
> with].
> Hope that helps.
> 
> On 3/11/14, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am quite sure that the student must be having swell line
>> paper/sheets and a blind's geometry box. Ask him to bring both of
>> these and draw with preferably a pen and apply pressure on the swell
>> line paper so that the diagram becomes embossed/tactile. He will then
>> read it and after analysis and solving will be able to verbally or by
>> diagram give you the answer.
>> Please try to give your student alternative questions for extremely
>> graphical or visual questions.
>> 
>> On 3/11/14, Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at ladelta.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>>> it
>>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>>> position
>>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>>> 
>>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>>> graphs,
>>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>>> how
>>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>>> 
>>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>>> volunteered.
>>> 
>>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>>> don't
>>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>>> 
>>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>>> our
>>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Attention Students-
>>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
>>> your
>>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>>> 
>>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>>> 318-345-9152
>>> Fax 318-345-9087
>>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>>> 
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
>>> may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED,
>>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
>>> herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the
>>> person
>>> responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified
>>> that reading, disclosing, using, copying, or distributing any part of
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>>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:06:59 +0000
> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> Sandy if you can find a TVI in your area, they will be able to help this student immensely. The sad thing is to realize that if he was taking a test, the class material should also have been available to him. It is a fair test, and as a TVI I am always preparing materials such as this, so sadly the student it seems did not have access to them as he studied.
> 
> Feel free to contact me offline and I will see if I can help. Mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org<mailto:Mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> 
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> 700 Delaware Avenue
> Delmar, NY 12054
> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 11:27 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu<mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>> wrote:
> 
> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with that
> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile graphics,
> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss with
> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some equipment
> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if there
> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
> ViewPlus.
> 
> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd like
> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs only
> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
> 
> John Gardner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
> Dietle
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it
> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position
> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs,
> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how
> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
> volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't
> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our
> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your
> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:28:35 +0530
> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> Sandy,
> 
> Jaws and OpenBook will not help. They can only handle text. 
> 
> Can you show us a test question? I have had several teachers describe graphs
> to me on tests so I may be able to help.
> Note:
> I am not asking for the exact test question but a similar question.
> 
> I agree with John that the student may not be comfortable with tactile
> graphs. You need to check this. Audio descriptions + tactile graphs do work
> nicely.
> Pranav
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:28:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: hpscheffer at aol.com
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID: <8D10B667E5BEEB9-1E6C-32791 at webmail-m231.sysops.aol.com>
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> 
> Sandy here are some links that might be of interest and help to you and your student. 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=teaching%20math%20to%20blind%20students&sm=3
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDSNYugqr_Y
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at LaDelta.edu>
> To: blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 10:02 am
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> 
> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it 
> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position a 
> little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read the 
> test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs, and 
> axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how to read 
> this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for this student?  
> Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't have 
> the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our 
> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your 
> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:36:35 -0500
> From: sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> Yes, I think the test is reasonable. You could try a combination of describing the graphs, and either using a vinyl covered with a piece of paper or some hot glue or string or something to make the graphs. You could just tell him what the shape of the graph was and name some points on the graph. That way, he could get the slope and get the equation of the line. Or, you could use some tactile graphing paper or one of those rubber boards with squares on it to make a graph for him and he could find the intercepts. Then he could tell you his answers or however he records. If he has to make a graph, he could either use that rubber board with some strings and thumbtacks and just take a picture of it, or he could write down a description of The graph  would look like. The description should include the shape of the graph, important points that would be on the graph, intercepts, asymptotes, and other relevant information.
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:00 AM, Sandra Dietle <sandradietle at LaDelta.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>> 
>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs, and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>> 
>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody volunteered.
>> 
>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>> 
>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Attention Students-
>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>> 
>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>> 318-345-9152
>> Fax 318-345-9087
>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the person responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disclosing, using, copying, or distributing any part of this message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please contact sender immediately and take steps necessary to delete the message and all its attachments completely from your computer system
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:01:42 -0500
> From: sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
> 
> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I like tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need really specific information.
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
>> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with that
>> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile graphics,
>> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss with
>> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
>> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some equipment
>> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
>> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
>> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if there
>> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
>> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
>> ViewPlus.
>> 
>> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
>> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd like
>> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs only
>> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
>> 
>> John Gardner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>> Dietle
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Blindmath] help
>> 
>> Hello,
>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew it
>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this position
>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>> 
>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on graphs,
>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea how
>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>> 
>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>> volunteered.
>> 
>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they don't
>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>> 
>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in our
>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Attention Students-
>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor your
>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>> 
>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>> 318-345-9152
>> Fax 318-345-9087
>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
>> may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED,
>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
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>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:00:20 -0600
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> 
> It depends on what he already knows about graphs before taking this
> exam. If he already understands the concept of lines, X and Y axes,
> slope and intercept, then you may just be able to read him the
> question and describe any graphs that are included on the test. If he
> doesn't have the basic conceptual understanding because he hasn't been
> properly accommodated for this class, then he may need to take a step
> back and go over some tactile graphs before he can be tested fairly on
> the material. But I think the test questions are fair as long as he's
> received appropriate accommodations while he was originally learning
> the material, either tactile graphs, audio descriptions or both.
> When I was taking math tests and the test asked me to draw a graph, I
> would just write a detailed description with JAWS. This was never a
> problem for me even into calculus and advanced statistics. He should
> be able to take tests with JAWS unless the test question itself
> actually contains a graph. Also, some equations will not read properly
> with JAWS. He will need to trial a document and see if the equations
> make sense with JAWS before using this as a preferred testing method.
> You can retype the equations in a way that makes sense to JAWS by
> using plain numbers, letters and operators. JAWS reads +, -, * and /
> correctly along with %. It does not read Greek letters correctly.
> 
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 3/11/14, sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I like
>> tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need
>> really specific information.
>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
>>> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with
>>> that
>>> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile
>>> graphics,
>>> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss
>>> with
>>> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
>>> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some
>>> equipment
>>> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
>>> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
>>> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if
>>> there
>>> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
>>> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
>>> ViewPlus.
>>> 
>>> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
>>> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd
>>> like
>>> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs
>>> only
>>> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
>>> 
>>> John Gardner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>> Dietle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] help
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>>> it
>>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>>> position
>>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>>> 
>>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>>> graphs,
>>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>>> how
>>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>>> 
>>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>>> volunteered.
>>> 
>>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>>> don't
>>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>>> 
>>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>>> our
>>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Attention Students-
>>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
>>> your
>>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>>> 
>>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>>> 318-345-9152
>>> Fax 318-345-9087
>>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>>> 
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
>>> may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED,
>>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
>>> herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the
>>> person
>>> responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified
>>> that reading, disclosing, using, copying, or distributing any part of
>>> this
>>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
>>> received this electronic mail message in error, please contact sender
>>> immediately and take steps necessary to delete the message and all its
>>> attachments completely from your computer system
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>>> du
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>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:15:44 +0000
> From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
> Message-ID: <C29DB0AE-3DAC-4301-A548-6CA036BE8736 at bcsd.neric.org>
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> 
> The question remains, to me, how did the student prepare for this test?! The graphics were being presented to the sighted students...how was the blind student participating?
> 
> Why did he not contact the disability office regarding the need? not trying to be obnoxious here, but as a TVI of high schoolers, I begin to wonder if I need to teach them to be more proactive about  making their need for access to  materials known, AND be sure they can articulate how they need the materials prepared.
> 
> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> Bethlehem Central Schools
> 700 Delaware Avenue
> Delmar, NY 12054
> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:01 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com<mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> It depends on what he already knows about graphs before taking this
> exam. If he already understands the concept of lines, X and Y axes,
> slope and intercept, then you may just be able to read him the
> question and describe any graphs that are included on the test. If he
> doesn't have the basic conceptual understanding because he hasn't been
> properly accommodated for this class, then he may need to take a step
> back and go over some tactile graphs before he can be tested fairly on
> the material. But I think the test questions are fair as long as he's
> received appropriate accommodations while he was originally learning
> the material, either tactile graphs, audio descriptions or both.
> When I was taking math tests and the test asked me to draw a graph, I
> would just write a detailed description with JAWS. This was never a
> problem for me even into calculus and advanced statistics. He should
> be able to take tests with JAWS unless the test question itself
> actually contains a graph. Also, some equations will not read properly
> with JAWS. He will need to trial a document and see if the equations
> make sense with JAWS before using this as a preferred testing method.
> You can retype the equations in a way that makes sense to JAWS by
> using plain numbers, letters and operators. JAWS reads +, -, * and /
> correctly along with %. It does not read Greek letters correctly.
> 
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 3/11/14, sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com<mailto:sabra1023 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I like
> tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need
> really specific information.
> 
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu<mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
> wrote:
> 
> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with
> that
> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile
> graphics,
> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss
> with
> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some
> equipment
> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if
> there
> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
> ViewPlus.
> 
> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd
> like
> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs
> only
> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
> 
> John Gardner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
> Dietle
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] help
> 
> Hello,
> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
> it
> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
> position
> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
> 
> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
> graphs,
> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
> how
> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
> 
> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
> volunteered.
> 
> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
> don't
> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
> 
> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
> our
> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Attention Students-
> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
> your
> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
> 
> Sandy Dietle, LPC
> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
> 7500 Millhaven Road
> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
> 318-345-9152
> Fax 318-345-9087
> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
> 
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> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:22:27 -0400
> From: Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> 
> Thank you, Maureen.  You took the words right out of my mouth. I was about
> to ask the same question.  How did this student get this without the
> knowledge of graphs and even the basic/rudimentary skills to read and
> interpret a tactile graphic?  I supposed he could be recently blind and
> thus at a severe disadvantage being in class without tactile skills but
> wow, what a struggle!
> 
> SM
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Lewicki, Maureen
> <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>wrote:
> 
>> The question remains, to me, how did the student prepare for this test?!
>> The graphics were being presented to the sighted students...how was the
>> blind student participating?
>> 
>> Why did he not contact the disability office regarding the need? not
>> trying to be obnoxious here, but as a TVI of high schoolers, I begin to
>> wonder if I need to teach them to be more proactive about  making their
>> need for access to  materials known, AND be sure they can articulate how
>> they need the materials prepared.
>> 
>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>> 700 Delaware Avenue
>> Delmar, NY 12054
>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:01 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on what he already knows about graphs before taking this
>> exam. If he already understands the concept of lines, X and Y axes,
>> slope and intercept, then you may just be able to read him the
>> question and describe any graphs that are included on the test. If he
>> doesn't have the basic conceptual understanding because he hasn't been
>> properly accommodated for this class, then he may need to take a step
>> back and go over some tactile graphs before he can be tested fairly on
>> the material. But I think the test questions are fair as long as he's
>> received appropriate accommodations while he was originally learning
>> the material, either tactile graphs, audio descriptions or both.
>> When I was taking math tests and the test asked me to draw a graph, I
>> would just write a detailed description with JAWS. This was never a
>> problem for me even into calculus and advanced statistics. He should
>> be able to take tests with JAWS unless the test question itself
>> actually contains a graph. Also, some equations will not read properly
>> with JAWS. He will need to trial a document and see if the equations
>> make sense with JAWS before using this as a preferred testing method.
>> You can retype the equations in a way that makes sense to JAWS by
>> using plain numbers, letters and operators. JAWS reads +, -, * and /
>> correctly along with %. It does not read Greek letters correctly.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>> 
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 3/11/14, sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com<mailto:sabra1023 at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I
>> like
>> tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need
>> really specific information.
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu
>> <mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
>> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with
>> that
>> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile
>> graphics,
>> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss
>> with
>> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
>> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some
>> equipment
>> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
>> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
>> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if
>> there
>> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
>> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
>> ViewPlus.
>> 
>> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
>> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd
>> like
>> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs
>> only
>> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
>> 
>> John Gardner
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>> Dietle
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] help
>> 
>> Hello,
>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>> it
>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>> position
>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>> 
>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>> graphs,
>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>> how
>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>> 
>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>> volunteered.
>> 
>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>> don't
>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>> 
>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>> our
>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>> 
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Attention Students-
>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
>> your
>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>> 
>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>> 318-345-9152
>> Fax 318-345-9087
>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
>> may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED,
>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
>> herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the
>> person
>> responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified
>> that reading, disclosing, using, copying, or distributing any part of
>> this
>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
>> received this electronic mail message in error, please contact sender
>> immediately and take steps necessary to delete the message and all its
>> attachments completely from your computer system
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>> du
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>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>> 
>> 
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>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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>> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:23:04 -0400
> From: Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> 	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] help
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Correction:  I meant to write, "How did this student get his far without
> the knowledge ..."
> 
> SM
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Thank you, Maureen.  You took the words right out of my mouth. I was about
>> to ask the same question.  How did this student get this without the
>> knowledge of graphs and even the basic/rudimentary skills to read and
>> interpret a tactile graphic?  I supposed he could be recently blind and
>> thus at a severe disadvantage being in class without tactile skills but
>> wow, what a struggle!
>> 
>> SM
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Lewicki, Maureen <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The question remains, to me, how did the student prepare for this test?!
>>> The graphics were being presented to the sighted students...how was the
>>> blind student participating?
>>> 
>>> Why did he not contact the disability office regarding the need? not
>>> trying to be obnoxious here, but as a TVI of high schoolers, I begin to
>>> wonder if I need to teach them to be more proactive about  making their
>>> need for access to  materials known, AND be sure they can articulate how
>>> they need the materials prepared.
>>> 
>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>> 700 Delaware Avenue
>>> Delmar, NY 12054
>>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:01 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It depends on what he already knows about graphs before taking this
>>> exam. If he already understands the concept of lines, X and Y axes,
>>> slope and intercept, then you may just be able to read him the
>>> question and describe any graphs that are included on the test. If he
>>> doesn't have the basic conceptual understanding because he hasn't been
>>> properly accommodated for this class, then he may need to take a step
>>> back and go over some tactile graphs before he can be tested fairly on
>>> the material. But I think the test questions are fair as long as he's
>>> received appropriate accommodations while he was originally learning
>>> the material, either tactile graphs, audio descriptions or both.
>>> When I was taking math tests and the test asked me to draw a graph, I
>>> would just write a detailed description with JAWS. This was never a
>>> problem for me even into calculus and advanced statistics. He should
>>> be able to take tests with JAWS unless the test question itself
>>> actually contains a graph. Also, some equations will not read properly
>>> with JAWS. He will need to trial a document and see if the equations
>>> make sense with JAWS before using this as a preferred testing method.
>>> You can retype the equations in a way that makes sense to JAWS by
>>> using plain numbers, letters and operators. JAWS reads +, -, * and /
>>> correctly along with %. It does not read Greek letters correctly.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>> On 3/11/14, sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com<mailto:sabra1023 at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I
>>> like
>>> tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need
>>> really specific information.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu
>>> <mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
>>> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with
>>> that
>>> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile
>>> graphics,
>>> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss
>>> with
>>> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
>>> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some
>>> equipment
>>> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
>>> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
>>> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if
>>> there
>>> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
>>> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
>>> ViewPlus.
>>> 
>>> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
>>> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd
>>> like
>>> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs
>>> only
>>> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
>>> 
>>> John Gardner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>> Dietle
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] help
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>>> it
>>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>>> position
>>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>>> 
>>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>>> graphs,
>>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>>> how
>>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>>> 
>>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>>> volunteered.
>>> 
>>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>>> don't
>>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>>> 
>>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>>> our
>>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Attention Students-
>>> For up-to-date enrollment and financial aid information, please monitor
>>> your
>>> LoLA account<https://my.lctcs.edu/cp/home/displaylogin> regularly.
>>> 
>>> Sandy Dietle, LPC
>>> Director of Counseling and Disability Services
>>> 7500 Millhaven Road
>>> Monroe, Louisiana  71203
>>> 318-345-9152
>>> Fax 318-345-9087
>>> Staying Connected . . . . in 2013
>>> 
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:  This electronic mail message and any attachments
>>> may contain information that is, or may be, LEGALLY PRIVILEGED,
>>> CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM
>>> DISCLOSURE, and is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) named
>>> herein.  If you are not the intended recipient, an addressee, or the
>>> person
>>> responsible for delivering this to an addressee, you are hereby notified
>>> that reading, disclosing, using, copying, or distributing any part of
>>> this
>>> message or any of its attachments is strictly prohibited.  If you have
>>> received this electronic mail message in error, please contact sender
>>> immediately and take steps necessary to delete the message and all its
>>> attachments completely from your computer system
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>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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>>> BlindMath Gems can be found at
>>> <http://www.blindscience.org/blindmath-gems-home>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:48:55 +0000
> From: M Lakhani <muzz.lakhani at googlemail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> I had a database course where I used playdoe & plasticine to ask a sighted colleague to explain the notation. I then used zytech paper to print tactile graphics. I just recreated the diagrams using playdoe in exams or described them with jaws if more appropriate. 
> I've done a Physics BSc & Computer Science postgrad using this combo. I definitely think that an awareness to tactile graphics helps substantially. 3D printing now makes this a lot simpler process.
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> Muzz
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>> On 12 Mar 2014, at 00:23, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Correction:  I meant to write, "How did this student get his far without
>> the knowledge ..."
>> 
>> SM
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Susan Mooney <susanannemooney at gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you, Maureen.  You took the words right out of my mouth. I was about
>>> to ask the same question.  How did this student get this without the
>>> knowledge of graphs and even the basic/rudimentary skills to read and
>>> interpret a tactile graphic?  I supposed he could be recently blind and
>>> thus at a severe disadvantage being in class without tactile skills but
>>> wow, what a struggle!
>>> 
>>> SM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Lewicki, Maureen <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The question remains, to me, how did the student prepare for this test?!
>>>> The graphics were being presented to the sighted students...how was the
>>>> blind student participating?
>>>> 
>>>> Why did he not contact the disability office regarding the need? not
>>>> trying to be obnoxious here, but as a TVI of high schoolers, I begin to
>>>> wonder if I need to teach them to be more proactive about  making their
>>>> need for access to  materials known, AND be sure they can articulate how
>>>> they need the materials prepared.
>>>> 
>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>>> 700 Delaware Avenue
>>>> Delmar, NY 12054
>>>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 8:01 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It depends on what he already knows about graphs before taking this
>>>> exam. If he already understands the concept of lines, X and Y axes,
>>>> slope and intercept, then you may just be able to read him the
>>>> question and describe any graphs that are included on the test. If he
>>>> doesn't have the basic conceptual understanding because he hasn't been
>>>> properly accommodated for this class, then he may need to take a step
>>>> back and go over some tactile graphs before he can be tested fairly on
>>>> the material. But I think the test questions are fair as long as he's
>>>> received appropriate accommodations while he was originally learning
>>>> the material, either tactile graphs, audio descriptions or both.
>>>> When I was taking math tests and the test asked me to draw a graph, I
>>>> would just write a detailed description with JAWS. This was never a
>>>> problem for me even into calculus and advanced statistics. He should
>>>> be able to take tests with JAWS unless the test question itself
>>>> actually contains a graph. Also, some equations will not read properly
>>>> with JAWS. He will need to trial a document and see if the equations
>>>> make sense with JAWS before using this as a preferred testing method.
>>>> You can retype the equations in a way that makes sense to JAWS by
>>>> using plain numbers, letters and operators. JAWS reads +, -, * and /
>>>> correctly along with %. It does not read Greek letters correctly.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/11/14, sabra1023 <sabra1023 at gmail.com<mailto:sabra1023 at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I actually don't agree that it's fair to only provide tactile graphs. I
>>>> like
>>>> tactile graphs forgetting basic information, but I hate them if I need
>>>> really specific information.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:24 AM, "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu
>>>> <mailto:gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Access to graphs will be poor unless the student has some kind of tactile
>>>> representation.  I believe that everybody on this list will agree with
>>>> that
>>>> statement.  However not every blind person can understand tactile
>>>> graphics,
>>>> so before doing anything else, this is a topic that you need to discuss
>>>> with
>>>> him.  If he is among the very small number of blind people who are
>>>> comfortable with tactile graphics, then you need to purchase some
>>>> equipment
>>>> to make them, and there are many possibilities.  If he is not comfortable
>>>> with reading tactile, then my recommendation is to make audio tactile
>>>> graphics copeies for him, because most people can read tactile copy if
>>>> there
>>>> is good audio to accompany it.  Full disclosure: my company, ViewPlus, is
>>>> the pioneer in this technology, so if you do this, you'll be buying from
>>>> ViewPlus.
>>>> 
>>>> So please, before this discussion goes on into myriad detail, you need to
>>>> have the conversation with your student.  And for my own benefit, I'd
>>>> like
>>>> to know why this topic has not already come up.  Learning about graphs
>>>> only
>>>> when they appear on a test is kind of late.
>>>> 
>>>> John Gardner
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>>> Dietle
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 7:01 AM
>>>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Blindmath] help
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> This is my first time to post to this list-serv as I only recently knew
>>>> it
>>>> existed.  I am new to the field of disabilities having been in this
>>>> position
>>>> a little over a year.  Here is my problem:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a blind student taking Math 099.  He comes to my office and I read
>>>> the test to him.  Today the instructor brought me a test and it's on
>>>> graphs,
>>>> and axes, and slopes of lines, x & y intercepts, etc...  I have no idea
>>>> how
>>>> to read this test to this student!!   Is this even a reasonable test for
>>>> this student?  Any ideas on how I can help him?
>>>> 
>>>> I announced in class for a student worker to help him but nobody
>>>> volunteered.
>>>> 
>>>> We have in our library tutors who help him with assignments but they
>>>> don't
>>>> have the time to read a test to him as they are helping other students.
>>>> 
>>>> We have JAWS, Openbooks, and a Pearl reading solution on a computer in
>>>> our
>>>> library.  I was wondering if this is capable of reading tests to him?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>>> 
>>>> Sandy
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