[Blindmath] Mathematics using handwriting

Wed Jan 21 23:17:42 UTC 2015

That example is specifically why I don't use a reader. The only exception is that if my professor offers to be a reader for my test, I will do that because my professor will be able to describe the graph correctly so that I won't receive false information.another problem is the cumin readers parentheses, fractions, and other things that can make the equation read completely differently.

Sabra Ewing

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 2:43 PM, joe walker via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I still wonder though how it is on a computer or mobile device, would
> it be possible to interpret graphical data without having to resort
> entirely to having to ask someone to attempt a visual description. I
> have determined from experience, that even asking a reader to describe
> what he or she sees on a graph, in order to answer a quiz or exam
> question, is very difficult since he or she may incorrectly describe
> the appearance of the visual aid. This has actually resulted in blind
> and visually impaired students giving incorrect answers based on
> unknowingly false information. Since such errors have been known to
> exist even in simple algebra, leads me to question whether we have a
> universally accepted system for allowing blind students to comprehend
> graphical information, such as wavefunctions, derivatives and
> integrals, and frequency data involving peaks and troths, just to name
> a few examples. Given that the vast majority of science and math test
> questions require the examination of a visual aid, I would love to
> hear your feedback on this issue.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On 1/21/15, Shannon Pruitt via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I apologize as I slightly misread the original email and you are correct
>> MathPad is not accessible. However that doesn't altogether mean it wouldn't
>> be useful.
>> 
>> I think you have a couple of options. I would suggest talking to your
>> teacher as he/she probably knows either latex or MathML if not both. They
>> could pre or post type the notes for you and send them to you. Also maybe
>> the department has a TA that could do this.
>> 
>> Another option would be to consult your disabilities office and get a person
>> to take notes for you. In this case I'm positive they won't know latex or
>> MathML but something like this app might help them create it or get it to
>> you in a pinch.
>> 
>> Sorry about the confusion. Shannon
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Hajas Dániel <d.hajas.lists at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The MathType way of doing it seems a bit too much of procedure if you just
>>> want to play around with few line of equations and not even use it later
>>> on. Just a quick sketch of math to remind yourself.
>>> 
>>> Shannon: The iOS app sounded nice and I downloaded but can't use it for
>>> anything. All the buttons are dimmed and Voice Over does not seem to
>>> recognise any edit field. Have you used it? How can I make it work with
>>> VoiceOver?
>>> 
>>> The features sound nice and even the LaTeX output might come handy every
>>> now and then.
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jan 2015, at 16:38, Shannon Pruitt <sdpruitt99 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There's an iOS app called MathPad that will allow one to write math
>>>> symbols. It then digitizes it and you can get latex or MathML output that
>>>> could then be read by math player (I think).
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Theodor Loots via Blindmath
>>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know that MathType (from Design Science) supports input using the
>>>>> hand-written interface of Windows 7 and 8.  If your equations are
>>>>> recognised, you can easily use the Toggle TeX functionality of MathType
>>>>> to
>>>>> view the equation in LaTeX, or export the entire document as a webpage,
>>>>> where the formulae can be read using the MathPlayer plugin.
>>>>> Alternatively,
>>>>> the recognised formulae can be read using LEAN, or the entire document
>>>>> may
>>>>> be exported to some appropriate Braille translation software (which can
>>>>> handle MathType equations).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> t
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hajas
>>>>> Dániel via Blindmath
>>>>> Sent: 21 January 2015 03:11 PM
>>>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>>>> Subject: [Blindmath] Mathematics using handwriting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Today our lecturer in quantum mechanics used a software that allowed her
>>>>> to
>>>>> use a pen and write on a screen, which then was projected on a board, so
>>>>> students can take notes at the lecture. This is like a digital
>>>>> blackboard
>>>>> except that people have to write on a computer screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was wondering if something similar existed for applications with
>>>>> screen
>>>>> readers? A software for PC, an app for tablets or smartphones, or other
>>>>> alternative solution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The point would be to enable handwritten input of mainly mathematical
>>>>> symbols that can be read by a screen reader while writing character by
>>>>> character and afterward while browsing through lines.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I imagine something like the handwriting option in iOS. I often use that
>>>>> function for writing shorter texts even if it is not the fastest and
>>>>> most
>>>>> reliable way of writing, simply because I find handwriting a some form
>>>>> of
>>>>> art. Also when I get fed up with pressing the keyboard I use a notepad
>>>>> to
>>>>> write down my equations and derive what I need. Obviously there is no
>>>>> feedback, I can't read it back after, but it helps me in following a
>>>>> mental
>>>>> process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I would be pleased to see a solution which enables me to use
>>>>> handwritten
>>>>> maths and I could even read back what I wrote. Editing wouldn't be
>>>>> esential
>>>>> at the beginning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I even guess the iOS feature could be turned into an app of what I just
>>>>> described above.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you know of anything along these lines?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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