[Blindmath] A query about accessibility through a screen reader of mathematical content
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Wed Apr 13 01:21:52 UTC 2016
I have the same problem. The reason for this is that many blind people are not
used to sighted graphics conventions.
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sabra Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] A query about accessibility through a screen reader of
They have that in America to, but for some reason, I can't read them unless the
pictures were very simple like a very simple graph. For complicated images, I
can only understand three-dimensional things. For example, if you gave me a
tactile picture of a dog, I would have no idea what it was, but if you gave me a
plastic model of a dog, I would know what it was. Other blind people seem to be
fine with the tactile pictures though, but I don't know why.
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:21 AM, Niels Luithardt via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Sabra,
> i have a question:
> what about Fuser . tactile Modells with special paper. In Germany we
> often use it.
> 2016-04-12 5:10 GMT+02:00, Sabra Ewing via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>:
>> I think most blind people just read it before they compiled. After
>> they compiled, it is for a sighted person so they don't care if they can read
>> As for a screen reader that would read math the best, I would suggest NVDA.
>> It is free. Also, there is the Pearson equation editor, which is
>> designed for braille users. It is much more natural to use and you
>> don't have to deal with constant errors from trying to compile, but
>> fullscreen reduce port isn't here for that yet. I believe that
>> braille support is the most important, especially for higher-level
>> math, so I am glad they started with that. If you are fine with
>> reading in braille and using a screen reader doesn't matter as much,
>> you could try that. Sighted people like their math so different then
>> the way we like ours that it is really hard to have something where
>> you can read and write in the same format. To get in the way sighted
>> people like it, the program has to convert it to a different format
>> or you have to do that by compiling something. If you just want to
>> read equations for your own use, you can just write them The normal
>> way that they always are. Well, I suppose for us it is the normal way
>> and for sighted people is the abnormal way. Computers like our way
>> better anyways, so it really makes more sense just to leave them if
>> you are writing them for yourself. Maybe there is a way for a program
>> to convert what you wrote into an object and then put alternative
>> text in the object so that you can read what you have written and
>> sighted people think it is the way they like it, But now, we have
>> just reached the stage where you no longer have to write in computer
>> braille. You can do your math in the way that you learned to read it,
>> andyou can make it look good for sighted colleagues and professors,
>> but yet at the stage where it translates back and forth so seamlessly
>> that you feel like you can read it all the time and sighted people
>> feel like it looks good all the time. Now you can at least produce
>> correctly formatted equations without having to know a programming
>> language though. I don't know what has happened because we haven't
>> had any math or science technology apart from a tactile drawing board
>> for blind people for like 50 years and now all the sudden, things are
>> taking off, so what you want will probably exist in the near future.
>> So you can wait for that while I wait for more seamless 3-D printing
>> technology. I had to specifically avoid a biology class that involved
>> identifying plant cells and other things with a microscope. I had
>> thought we could simply order some three dimensional models and I can
>> just use those, but they don't exist and they have so many details
>> that they are too hard to make by hand. What you want is probably
>> coming before my pocket sized, Affordable 3-D printer with accessible
>> image capturing technology though. Then, I could just bring it to
>> class, take a picture of the plant cell, and a little drawer with the
three-dimensional image inside would pop up in a few seconds later. Sorry, I'm
getting way off topic. That is all I have though. There could be something else
I don't know about.
>> Sabra Ewing
>>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Saaqib Mahmuud via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello to everyone at the BlindMath mailing list.
>>> I have the following query.
>>> These days, I'm using WinEdit 9.1 and MikeTex 2.9.5845 for
>>> typesetting mathematical documents.
>>> After typing in my content, I press Alt + A to go to the Accessories
>>> menu, followed by ENTER to activate the Compile menu item. I've just
>>> learnt that the desired keystroke is F9.
>>> The above procedure produces a PDF file with the mathematical
>>> content with the formatting I'd done using the LATEX commands.
>>> Now my question is, is the mathematical content of this PDF file
>>> going to be accessible (and, if so, to what extent?) to a blind user
>>> through a screen reading program such as JAWS, NVDA, or WinEyes?
>>> Would this PDF file emboss correctly into braille if I emboss it
>>> directly using a braille embosser such as the Index Braille's
>>> Everest-D V4 braille embosser?
>>> Which screen reader does the best job of making the mathematical
>>> content thus created accessible to a blind person?
>>> Please be sure to reply to the above questions in a thorough enough
>>> manner as your input will help make maths accessible for the blind
>>> of an under-developed region!
>>> Saaqib Mahmood,
>>> Lecturer in Mathematics,
>>> Govt. Postgrad. College (GPGC) No. 1, Abbottabad, PAKISTAN Kund
>>> Malyaar, Muhallah Musa Zai, Nawan Shehr, Abbottabad, PAKISTAN
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