[Blindmath] [Blind math] A query about accessibility through a screen reader of mathematical content

Thu Apr 14 13:48:27 UTC 2016

Yes, you can use third party files if your printer recognizes the
format. There are even portals with 3d models if I'm not mistaken.

On 14.4.2016 г. 16:46 ч., Zach via Blindmath wrote:
> To take the conversation just a little further off-topic, concerning the
> production of 3-D models via 3-D printers, is it necessary for someone to
> create each file, or is it like Microsoft Word files where if it's written
> on one computer and transferred to another, both can print identical
> documents? I'm taking biochemistry in the fall, and wondered if it would be
> possible to get some key molecules printed in house through my university. I
> have been made to understand that the personnel needed to transcribe the 2-D
> representations to 3-D files are not in sufficient supply, so I wondered if
> I could hunt up existing 3-D files and have them printed here. 
>
> Thoughts are appreciated.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
> Zachary Mason
> M.S. Student
> Animal and Dairy Sciences
> Mississippi State University
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
> Blindmath
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] A query about accessibility through a screen reader
> of mathematical content
>
> I think I am missing what the original question to this thread was.  But
> generally it hard for people to interpret 2.5 D images, such as the tactile
> images some people spoke of.  If an uneducated sighted person makes it it
> will likely be harder to interpret.  2.5 D graphics have to be simple.  The
> best way to interpret them is to have someone describe to you what you are
> feeling.  With a decent image, when a person is told what it is they are
> feeling it is much easier to figure out.  3D graphics are not that hard to
> get.  
> Again, I'm not sure what the original question here was, but if you are
> concerned with graphics there are many options.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Zach via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Hi Sabra,
>>
>> I'm an animal science masters student at Mississippi State University. 
>> If I can help you, or anyone on this list for that matter get access 
>> to equasions for animal nutrition please let me know.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Zac
>>
>> Zachary Mason
>> M.S. Student
>> Animal and Dairy Sciences
>> Mississippi State University
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Sabra Ewing via Blindmath
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:10 PM
>> To: Saaqib Mahmuud <saaqib1978 at yahoo.co.in>; Blind Math list for those 
>> interested in mathematics <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sabra Ewing <sabra1023 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] A query about accessibility through a screen 
>> reader of mathematical content
>>
>> I think most blind people just read it before they compiled. After 
>> they compiled, it is for a sighted person so they don't care if they can
> read it.
>> As for a screen reader that would read math the best, I would suggest
> NVDA.
>> It is free. Also, there is the Pearson equation editor, which is 
>> designed for braille users. It is much more natural to use and you 
>> don't have to deal with constant errors from trying to compile, but 
>> fullscreen reduce port isn't here for that yet. I believe that braille 
>> support is the most important, especially for higher-level math, so I 
>> am glad they started with that. If you are fine with reading in 
>> braille and using a screen reader doesn't matter as much, you could 
>> try that. Sighted people like their math so different then the way we 
>> like ours that it is really hard to have something where you can read 
>> and write in the same format. To get in the way sighted people like 
>> it, the program has to convert it to a different format or you have to do
> that by c!
>> ompiling something. If you just want to read equations for your own 
>> use, you can just write them The normal way that they always are. 
>> Well, I suppose for us it is the normal way and for sighted people is the
> abnormal way.
>> Computers like our way better anyways, so it really makes more sense 
>> just to leave them if you are writing them for yourself. Maybe there 
>> is a way for a program to convert what you wrote into an object and 
>> then put alternative text in the object so that you can read what you 
>> have written and sighted people think it is the way they like it, But 
>> now, we have just reached the stage where you no longer have to write 
>> in computer braille. You can do your math in the way that you learned 
>> to read it, andyou can make it look good for sighted colleagues and 
>> professors, but yet at the stage where it translates back and forth so 
>> seamlessly that you feel like you can read it all the time and sighted 
>> people feel like it looks good all the time. Now you can at least prod!
>> uce correctly formatted equations without having to know a programming 
>> language though. I don't know what has happened because we haven't had 
>> any math or science technology apart from a tactile drawing board for 
>> blind people for like 50 years and now all the sudden, things are 
>> taking off, so what you want will probably exist in the near future. 
>> So you can wait for that while I wait for more seamless 3-D printing 
>> technology. I had to specifically avoid a biology class that involved 
>> identifying plant cells and other things with a microscope. I had 
>> thought we could simply order some three dimensional models and I can 
>> just use those, but they don't exist and they have so many details 
>> that they are too hard to make by hand. What you want is probably 
>> coming before my pocket sized, Affordable 3-D printer with accessible 
>> image capturing technology though. Then, I could just bring it to 
>> class, take a picture of the plant cell, and a little drawer with the 
>> three-dimensional image inside would pop up in a few seconds later. Sorry,
> I'm getting way off top!
>> ic. That is all I have though. There could be something else I don't 
>> know about.
>>
>> Sabra Ewing
>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Saaqib Mahmuud via Blindmath
>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello to everyone at the BlindMath mailing list. 
>>>
>>> I have the following query. 
>>>
>>> These days, I'm using WinEdit 9.1 and MikeTex 2.9.5845 for 
>>> typesetting
>> mathematical documents. 
>>> After typing in my content, I press Alt + A to go to the Accessories 
>>> menu,
>> followed by ENTER to activate the Compile menu item. I've just learnt 
>> that the desired keystroke is F9.
>>> The above procedure produces a PDF file with the mathematical content 
>>> with
>> the formatting I'd done using the LATEX commands. 
>>> Now my question is, is the mathematical content of this PDF file 
>>> going to
>> be accessible (and, if so, to what extent?) to a blind user through a 
>> screen reading program such as JAWS, NVDA, or WinEyes?
>>> Would this PDF file emboss correctly into braille if I emboss it 
>>> directly
>> using a braille embosser such as the Index Braille's Everest-D V4 
>> braille embosser?
>>> Which screen reader does the best job of making the mathematical 
>>> content
>> thus created accessible to a blind person?
>>> Please be sure to reply to the above questions in a thorough enough 
>>> manner
>> as your input will help make maths accessible for the blind of an 
>> under-developed region!
>>> Regards. 
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Saaqib Mahmood,
>>> Lecturer in Mathematics,
>>> Govt. Postgrad. College (GPGC) No. 1, Abbottabad, PAKISTAN Kund 
>>> Malyaar, Muhallah Musa Zai, Nawan Shehr, Abbottabad, PAKISTAN
>>> Phone: +92-346-952-7638 (mobile), +92-334-541-7958 (mobile + WhatsApp
>>> + Viber)
>>> Skype: saaqib.mahmood
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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