[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 116, Issue 1

Mary Woodyard marywoodyard at comcast.net
Tue Mar 1 14:00:51 UTC 2016


You can also use calculators on parts of the SAT Math subject test (but not
all of it) according to the guidelines here
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/sat/taking-the-test/calculator-pol
icy.  My son took this last year and College Board did approve the
accessible TI 84.  The ACT also allows calculators - but does require you to
clear the CAS programming.  Here are their guidelines - interestingly - they
have added a note that accessible graphing calculators are allowed under
accessibility guidelines approval
http://www.act.org/content/act/en/products-and-services/the-act/help.html.
My son was also approved for his accessible TI 84 with his ACT testing last
year.  

However, for classroom testing - I know that the teachers cleared the
programs.  It will be different school to school and you will have to do
what works for your student and his individual teacher.   If you are
requesting the accessible calculator accommodations through College Board -
you should also request individual administration and extended time
preferable over multiple days for the whole ACT.  If it's just a subject
test you could probably get it done in one day.

Mary Woodyard

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus? (Sean Tikkun)
   2. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus? (Ken Perry)
   3. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
      (Gaylen Kapperman)
   4. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
      (Brandon Keith Biggs)
   5. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus? (Sean Tikkun)
   6. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus? (Zach)
   7. University lecture aid software (Goda Biek?ait?)
   8. Re: University lecture aid software (Brandon Keith Biggs)
   9. Re: University lecture aid software (Lewicki, Maureen)
  10. Re: University lecture aid software (Ken Perry)
  11. Re: Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus? (Ken Perry)
  12. Re: University lecture aid software (Laura Etori)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:30:17 -0600
From: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
	Calculus?
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Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on an
Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service when
I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
read braille the language and he completed his work using the Wolfram-Alpha
langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
his work. 

There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to in
braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it. Also
would be little to no backwards translation issues.

Sean


> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that algebra,
calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python programming
language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a web search will
find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."  Rather than the
default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called IPython is
recommended, available at
> www.ipython.org <http://www.ipython.org/>
> 
> Jamal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Hello,
> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through
> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get up
> and running.
> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of
time
> to learn.
> 
> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
> 
> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing out
> in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I did
this
> going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently the student has
> not had much success with this method.
> 
> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
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Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:37:57 -0500
From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
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CAS can't be used on standard tests and neither can programming languages
that do your work for you.

Ken

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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?

Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on an
Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service when
I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
read braille the language and he completed his work using the Wolfram-Alpha
langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
his work. 

There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to in
braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it. Also
would be little to no backwards translation issues.

Sean


> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that 
> algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python 
> programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a 
> web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."  
> Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called 
> IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org 
> <http://www.ipython.org/>
> 
> Jamal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
> Biggs via Blindmath
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Hello,
> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through 
> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get 
> up and running.
> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of 
> time to learn.
> 
> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
> 
> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing 
> out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I 
> did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently 
> the student has not had much success with this method.
> 
> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/> 
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Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:24:44 +0000
From: Gaylen Kapperman <gkapperman at niu.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
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Good points all the way ... terrific.... the problem is that  most teachers
in our community don't know shit about programming languages and such...we
could actually mak some  decent break throughs here perhaps if we were able
to put the training into a form that non-cyber freaks can easily
understand.Ac
Tually, as you know, coding is not that damn difficult at all...really, just
have to learn it like learning a  foreign language only easier!
Kapp


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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?

Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on an
Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service when
I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
read braille the language and he completed his work using the Wolfram-Alpha
langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
his work. 

There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to in
braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it. Also
would be little to no backwards translation issues.

Sean


> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that 
> algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python 
> programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a 
> web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."  
> Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called 
> IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org 
> <http://www.ipython.org/>
> 
> Jamal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
> Biggs via Blindmath
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Hello,
> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through 
> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get 
> up and running.
> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of 
> time to learn.
> 
> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
> 
> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing 
> out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I 
> did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently 
> the student has not had much success with this method.
> 
> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/> 
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 10:44:54 -0800
From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
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Hello,
What is the difference between a programming language and a calculator?
I have not taken a basic math class in a very long time, so I don't know if
there are times when one can not use a calculator, but I know programming
languages only make the computer act in the ways you tell it to.
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Ken Perry via Blindmath <
blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> CAS can't be used on standard tests and neither can programming languages
> that do your work for you.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Tikkun via Blindmath
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> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
>
> Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
> always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
> functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on
> an
> Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service
> when
> I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
> read braille the language and he completed his work using the
Wolfram-Alpha
> langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
> his work.
>
> There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
> mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to
in
> braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
> markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it.
> Also
> would be little to no backwards translation issues.
>
> Sean
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that
> > algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python
> > programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a
> > web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."
> > Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called
> > IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org
> > <http://www.ipython.org/>
> >
> > Jamal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith
> > Biggs via Blindmath
> > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
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> > Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> > <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> >
> > Hello,
> > I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through
> > calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get
> > up and running.
> > I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of
> > time to learn.
> >
> > Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
> >
> > The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing
> > out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I
> > did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently
> > the student has not had much success with this method.
> >
> > The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
> > Has anyone worked with math ML before?
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:43:42 -0600
From: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
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Just to clarify, I?m suggesting that a student who is blind write their work
using CAS markup. Regarding standard tests? It is true a student can not use
a programable or graphing calculator on ACT, SAT, and GRE. The mathematics
level of the GRE is actually lower than the ACT and SAT. My understanding is
that it is far less reliable that a student has taken a math class within
the last 3 years and as such the work does not go beyond College
Algebra/Algebra 2. 

However, I think a TI-80 or higher calculator would be considered a CAS
device, which is allowed on AP exams these days. They weren?t when I took my
Calculus AP, and I was rather indignant when I found out they are! I?d draw
your attention to the below quote found at:
https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/apcourse/ap-calculus-ab/calculator-policy

"Calculator memories will not be cleared. Students are allowed to bring to
the exam calculators containing whatever programs they want. Students must
not use calculator memories to take test materials out of the room. Students
that attempt to remove test materials from the room by any method will have
their exam grades invalidated."

-Sean


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Ken Perry <kperry at blinksoft.com> wrote:
> 
> CAS can't be used on standard tests and neither can programming languages
> that do your work for you.
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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<mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Sean
> Tikkun via Blindmath
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com <mailto:jaquis at mac.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
> always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
> functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on
an
> Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service
when
> I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
> read braille the language and he completed his work using the
Wolfram-Alpha
> langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
> his work. 
> 
> There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
> mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to
in
> braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
> markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it.
Also
> would be little to no backwards translation issues.
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that 
>> algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python 
>> programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a 
>> web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."  
>> Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called 
>> IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org 
>> <http://www.ipython.org/>
>> 
>> Jamal
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
>> Biggs via Blindmath
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through 
>> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get 
>> up and running.
>> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of 
>> time to learn.
>> 
>> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
>> 
>> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing 
>> out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I 
>> did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently 
>> the student has not had much success with this method.
>> 
>> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
>> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/> 
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>> 0fcc.gov> BlindMath Gems can be found at 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 13:21:44 -0600
From: "Zach" <zm290 at msstate.edu>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
	Calculus?
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Why shouldn't CAS be allowed on standardized tests? Wouldn't it be
reasonable to expect the  computer used by the blind tester have any means
for automatic calculations to be disabled? Either that, or Nemeth and other
Braille math codes need to be recognized as a source of output. 

Zac

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
via Blindmath
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ken Perry <kperry at blinksoft.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?

CAS can't be used on standard tests and neither can programming languages
that do your work for you.

Ken

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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean
Tikkun via Blindmath
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:30 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?

Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is doable,
always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that execute certain
functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early programs in Basic on an
Apple II did my homework for me. Later Mathematica did the same service when
I was in College. When working as a TVI I taught a High School student who
read braille the language and he completed his work using the Wolfram-Alpha
langauge (almost identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check
his work. 

There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by
mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it to in
braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards CAS
markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already recognize it. Also
would be little to no backwards translation issues.

Sean


> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that 
> algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python 
> programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which a 
> web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."
> Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called 
> IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org 
> <http://www.ipython.org/>
> 
> Jamal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
> Biggs via Blindmath
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Hello,
> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through 
> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to get 
> up and running.
> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit of 
> time to learn.
> 
> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
> 
> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing 
> out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. I 
> did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently 
> the student has not had much success with this method.
> 
> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
> Thanks,
> 
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/> 
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 21:07:37 +0000
From: Goda Biek?ait? <goda.bieksaite at gmail.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
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Hello all,

I'm a third year Computer Science student in the University of Birmingham.
A while ago I sent of an email asking about what would best help visually
impaired students in a classroom as we are working on a project as part of
our degree. And thank you so much for all the replies - they helped loads!

After a meeting with a specialist school as well as with your guys' help,
we identified that one of the biggest issues is visually impaired students
missing out on any unprepared explanations. Usually, in order to answer any
questions, lecturers draw examples on the board. Unlike lecture slides,
which alongside other lecture material, can be prepared ahead of time, a
visually impaired student might miss out on any information provided during
such explanations. As such our solution incorporates a way to capture
information drawn out on the board, a way to access it online, a way to get
the material transcribed and then presented to the student in a preferred
manner (either a transcription of the material in a LaTex file or a raised
german film or a 3D printed object).

We have now built a few low definition prototypes in a form of a basic
website. We are working with the student services and the lecturers to get
their opinion on using the prototype. And now if any of you could help us
out - that would be amazing. It would not take long at all. It's just going
through a few stages of the prototype and answering a short questionnaire
afterwards. And this would help immensely.

Please let me know if anyone would be interested to help us out or if you
have any questions at all.

Thanks a bunch,
Goda


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 14:04:17 -0800
From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
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Hello Goda,
I would love to participate in this!
my email is brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.
Thanks,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Goda Biek?ait? <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'm a third year Computer Science student in the University of Birmingham.
> A while ago I sent of an email asking about what would best help visually
> impaired students in a classroom as we are working on a project as part of
> our degree. And thank you so much for all the replies - they helped loads!
>
> After a meeting with a specialist school as well as with your guys' help,
> we identified that one of the biggest issues is visually impaired students
> missing out on any unprepared explanations. Usually, in order to answer
any
> questions, lecturers draw examples on the board. Unlike lecture slides,
> which alongside other lecture material, can be prepared ahead of time, a
> visually impaired student might miss out on any information provided
during
> such explanations. As such our solution incorporates a way to capture
> information drawn out on the board, a way to access it online, a way to
get
> the material transcribed and then presented to the student in a preferred
> manner (either a transcription of the material in a LaTex file or a raised
> german film or a 3D printed object).
>
> We have now built a few low definition prototypes in a form of a basic
> website. We are working with the student services and the lecturers to get
> their opinion on using the prototype. And now if any of you could help us
> out - that would be amazing. It would not take long at all. It's just
going
> through a few stages of the prototype and answering a short questionnaire
> afterwards. And this would help immensely.
>
> Please let me know if anyone would be interested to help us out or if you
> have any questions at all.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> Goda
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 22:43:30 +0000
From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
Message-ID: <30C411AC-1133-4BF1-9F20-20DCBA7DB3A5 at bcsd.neric.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I am interested!! mlewicki at bcsd. neric.org<http://neric.org>

Maureen Murphy Lewicki
Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Bethlehem Central Schools
700 Delaware Avenue<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
Delmar, NY 12054<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/

On Feb 29, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs via Blindmath
<blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

one


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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 00:00:38 -0500
From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
Message-ID: <004e01d17377$4c917a80$e5b46f80$@blinksoft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="windows-1257"

I am always interested in testing stuff like this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Goda
Biek?aite via Blindmath
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:08 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Goda Biek?ait? <goda.bieksaite at gmail.com>
Subject: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software

Hello all,

I'm a third year Computer Science student in the University of Birmingham.
A while ago I sent of an email asking about what would best help visually
impaired students in a classroom as we are working on a project as part of
our degree. And thank you so much for all the replies - they helped loads!

After a meeting with a specialist school as well as with your guys' help, we
identified that one of the biggest issues is visually impaired students
missing out on any unprepared explanations. Usually, in order to answer any
questions, lecturers draw examples on the board. Unlike lecture slides,
which alongside other lecture material, can be prepared ahead of time, a
visually impaired student might miss out on any information provided during
such explanations. As such our solution incorporates a way to capture
information drawn out on the board, a way to access it online, a way to get
the material transcribed and then presented to the student in a preferred
manner (either a transcription of the material in a LaTex file or a raised
german film or a 3D printed object).

We have now built a few low definition prototypes in a form of a basic
website. We are working with the student services and the lecturers to get
their opinion on using the prototype. And now if any of you could help us
out - that would be amazing. It would not take long at all. It's just going
through a few stages of the prototype and answering a short questionnaire
afterwards. And this would help immensely.

Please let me know if anyone would be interested to help us out or if you
have any questions at all.

Thanks a bunch,
Goda
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 00:05:47 -0500
From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
	<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through
	Calculus?
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"

No not all TI calculators are CAS devices. There are actually cas versions
of TI-84 and Nspire but not all of them are CAS based.  For example if you
do an derivative or integral or even square roots on TI-84 without a special
program on the TI-84 you get a number not a text answer.  The cas system
would give you the reduced text answer not a number.  See this page:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-CAS-graphing-calculat
or-and-a-non-CAS-graphing-calculator

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Tikkun via Blindmath
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 1:44 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?

Just to clarify, I?m suggesting that a student who is blind write their work
using CAS markup. Regarding standard tests? It is true a student can not use
a programable or graphing calculator on ACT, SAT, and GRE. The mathematics
level of the GRE is actually lower than the ACT and SAT. My understanding is
that it is far less reliable that a student has taken a math class within
the last 3 years and as such the work does not go beyond College
Algebra/Algebra 2. 

However, I think a TI-80 or higher calculator would be considered a CAS
device, which is allowed on AP exams these days. They weren?t when I took my
Calculus AP, and I was rather indignant when I found out they are! I?d draw
your attention to the below quote found at:
https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/apcourse/ap-calculus-ab/calculator-policy

"Calculator memories will not be cleared. Students are allowed to bring to
the exam calculators containing whatever programs they want. Students must
not use calculator memories to take test materials out of the room. Students
that attempt to remove test materials from the room by any method will have
their exam grades invalidated."

-Sean


> On Feb 29, 2016, at 11:37 AM, Ken Perry <kperry at blinksoft.com> wrote:
> 
> CAS can't be used on standard tests and neither can programming 
> languages that do your work for you.
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Sean Tikkun via 
> Blindmath
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:30 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics 
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
> Cc: Sean Tikkun <jaquis at mac.com <mailto:jaquis at mac.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
> 
> Doing Math with a programing language, from my point of view is 
> doable, always has been. The modules are just sub-programs that 
> execute certain functions and algorithms. I believe some of my early 
> programs in Basic on an Apple II did my homework for me. Later 
> Mathematica did the same service when I was in College. When working 
> as a TVI I taught a High School student who read braille the language 
> and he completed his work using the Wolfram-Alpha langauge (almost 
> identical markup as Mathematica) to make graphs and check his work.
> 
> There are very strong Computer Algebra Systems (CAS) that are used by 
> mathematicians and present all output on a single line (as we want it 
> to in
> braille!) Not sure why the braille community has never moved towards 
> CAS markup since all math teachers and mathematicians already 
> recognize it. Also would be little to no backwards translation issues.
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Jamal Mazrui via Blindmath
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I recently read a couple of books that lead me to believe that 
>> algebra, calculus, and statistics may all be done with the Python 
>> programming language and science-related modules.  The titles, which 
>> a web search will find, are "Doing Math with Python" and "Think Stats."
>> Rather than the default Python shell, a more sophisticated one called 
>> IPython is recommended, available at www.ipython.org 
>> <http://www.ipython.org/>
>> 
>> Jamal
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
>> Biggs via Blindmath
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 PM
>> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Techniques for taking Algebra through Calculus?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am looking for some ways my student can use to take Algebra through 
>> calculus that does not require a significant investment of time to 
>> get up and running.
>> I know about Latex, but from what I have seen, it takes quite a bit 
>> of time to learn.
>> 
>> Nemeth does not work because my student does not know Braille.
>> 
>> The only other option I can think of is having a tutor there, writing 
>> out in huge letters, or using manipulatives to explain the concepts. 
>> I did this going through Statistics, but it was not fun and currently 
>> the student has not had much success with this method.
>> 
>> The accessibility person has suggested something using math ML may work.
>> Has anyone worked with math ML before?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blindmath mailing list
>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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>> 4 0fcc.gov> BlindMath Gems can be found at 
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 00:39:35 -0500
From: Laura Etori <letori.etori6 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
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I am very interested in this seems very exciting...
letori.etori6 at gmail.com
you can reach out to me.


On 3/1/16, Ken Perry via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am always interested in testing stuff like this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Goda
> Biek?aite via Blindmath
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:08 PM
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> Cc: Goda Biek?ait? <goda.bieksaite at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Blindmath] University lecture aid software
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm a third year Computer Science student in the University of Birmingham.
> A while ago I sent of an email asking about what would best help visually
> impaired students in a classroom as we are working on a project as part of
> our degree. And thank you so much for all the replies - they helped loads!
>
> After a meeting with a specialist school as well as with your guys' help,
we
> identified that one of the biggest issues is visually impaired students
> missing out on any unprepared explanations. Usually, in order to answer
any
> questions, lecturers draw examples on the board. Unlike lecture slides,
> which alongside other lecture material, can be prepared ahead of time, a
> visually impaired student might miss out on any information provided
during
> such explanations. As such our solution incorporates a way to capture
> information drawn out on the board, a way to access it online, a way to
get
> the material transcribed and then presented to the student in a preferred
> manner (either a transcription of the material in a LaTex file or a raised
> german film or a 3D printed object).
>
> We have now built a few low definition prototypes in a form of a basic
> website. We are working with the student services and the lecturers to get
> their opinion on using the prototype. And now if any of you could help us
> out - that would be amazing. It would not take long at all. It's just
going
> through a few stages of the prototype and answering a short questionnaire
> afterwards. And this would help immensely.
>
> Please let me know if anyone would be interested to help us out or if you
> have any questions at all.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> Goda
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everything beautiful and marvelous in His time and splendour.
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