[Blindmath] computer code

Sat Sep 24 20:48:39 UTC 2016

Would you please stop listening to Derek putting words in my mouth? I never said that Python was unusable for blind people. I was just saying that for a blind person looking to get into coding, it is not a good choice. It is a better choice to pick a language where indenting is stylistic. It has nothing to do with whether you can read indention or tell if something is invented. It has to do with the idea that as a beginning programmer, it will be really hard for you to understand that whether something is indented and how far it is indented actually changes the meaning of the instruction you are giving the computer. As a beginning programmer, you need to be learning the basic coding fundamentals, not keeping track of how far something is indented. They have environments that will indent for you until you are ready to learn about stylistic indentation. As a beginner, you're just learning about it to see if you are interested, not producing code for Apple.

Sabra Ewing

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:24 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> This is not correct, python is completely usable for blind people, you just
> need to set your screen reader to speak tabs and set your tab key to do
> tabs/4 spaces.
> Then when you are in a text editor, and there is an indent, you will hear
> it like:
> 
> def hello():
> tab print("Hello world")
> 
> EdSharp is the best text editor for screen readers that I know of.
> thanks,
> 
> 
> Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Sabra Ewing via Blindmath <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I tried it. The website is accessible, but the puzzles or not. Python is
>> bad for someone with spatial difficulties because indentation is an actual
>> part of the language instead of just a stylistic thing. There is a language
>> called visual basic, which might be more of what you want. The environment
>> does a lot of the work for you, and you only have to write some of the
>> code. I don't know of any websites, but I think there are some apps for the
>> iPhone that teach it. I can't remember what they are called though. If you
>> can't find anything, another thing you could try is having code template
>> for the student to fill-in. Maybe the website the instructor is using does
>> have some accessible courses though. They have a link on there called
>> student diversity, so it would be ironic if they supposedly care about
>> that, but their stuff isn't accessible. I think you would have better luck
>> with an Apple device though. I really wish I remembered what it was called,
>> but there is this thing where you can use voiceover to move things around
>> on the screen the same way they teach it on these coding websites. There is
>> a computer science list like this one, so maybe they have more information
>> there.
>> 
>> Sabra Ewing
>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Bill Dengler via Blindmath <
>>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Personally, I love the books available on Green Tea press <
>> http://greenteapress.com <http://greenteapress.com/>>.
>>> Think Python is great and teaches lots of core programming concepts. The
>> problems are challenging, but if your student gives them their best effort
>> and compares their solutions to the author-provided ones, they will
>> definitely become a better programmer.
>>> The Turtle World section is (obviously) inaccessible; if your student
>> has no vision, they will either need to skip that section, or (ideally)
>> have a sighted person describe what’s happening when they run their
>> programs.
>>> The GUI programming section is also inaccessible, since it uses the
>> Tkinter framework.
>>> The books are available in LaTeX and HTML. The HTML version is probably
>> your best bet, but you could probably convert the LaTeX version to Braille
>> if your student prefers that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:39 PM, Lewicki, Maureen via Blindmath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks! Yes bookshare is great but I was hoping to find websites that
>> are accessible that a student could use to learn some things such as are
>> presented on code.org<http://code.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>>> Bethlehem Central Schools
>>>> 700 Delaware Avenue<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
>>>> Delmar, NY 12054<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
>>>> http://bcsd.k12.ny.us/
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Smith, Andrew via Blindmath <
>> blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bookshare is indeed a fantastic resource.  Many books on many
>>>> different languages.
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/23/16, Martin, Vincent F via Blindmath <blindmath at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> I have been using the programming books on Bookshare for years.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Louis
>>>> Maher via Blindmath
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 3:40 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> Cc: Louis Maher <ljmaher at swbell.net<mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] computer code
>>>> 
>>>> Maureen,
>>>> 
>>>> An excellent source is bookshare.org<http://bookshare.org>.  Search
>> for the computer language you
>>>> want to learn.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Louis Maher
>>>> Phone: 713-444-7838
>>>> E-mail: ljmaher at swbell.net<mailto:ljmaher at swbell.net>
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lewicki,
>>>> Maureen via Blindmath
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 2:02 PM
>>>> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
>>>> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> Cc: Lewicki, Maureen <MLewicki at bcsd.neric.org<mailto:
>> MLewicki at bcsd.neric.org>>
>>>> Subject: [Blindmath] computer code
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone direct me to resources for blind students who want to learn
>>>> computer code please? A teacher uses Code.org<http://Code.org>. Is it
>> accessible? Can you
>>>> direct me to things and websites that are please?
>>>> 
>>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
>>>> Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>>>> Bethlehem Central School District
>>>> Bethlehem High School
>>>> 700 Delaware Ave
>>>> Delmar, NY 12054
>>>> http://www.bethlehemschools.org<http://www.bethlehemschools.org/>
>>>> Keep on beginning and failing. Each time you fail, start all over
>> again, and
>>>> you will grow stronger until you have accomplished a purpose - not the
>> one
>>>> you began with perhaps, but one you'll be glad to remember. Anne
>> Sullivan
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